Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Arno Welzel Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.privacy Subject: Re: RCS is not more private and secure than texting according to the FBI Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 04:07:13 +0100 Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: <0maa3lxnpe.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net mUGkVNB6zEIC6w2XvhSLwwltXB5YAfJd7C5FeFdyP8PZpTp5bz Cancel-Lock: sha1:/hwY+nnhTpiQAGpnR61a1v3vQbI= sha256:cMLqas1BE/WfRO5sJtAJoEe0fb6/8o5zDRkUD49gclc= Content-Language: de-DE In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com misc.phone.mobile.iphone:192239 comp.mobile.android:145561 alt.privacy:29750 Andrew, 2024-12-21 22:10: > Arno Welzel wrote on Sat, 21 Dec 2024 17:04:26 +0100 : > >>> The iPhone is a dumb terminal - devoid of functionality if you don't log >>> into the Apple mainframe servers 24/7/365 just for basic functionality. >> >> I got an iPhone SE from my employer and can't reproduce this. >> >> Even without internet and without connection to Apple it still works. I >> can take pictures with it, listen to music which is stored on the device >> and even call people if I only have GSM without internet. >> >> So what exactly do you mean? > > Arno, > > Do you know that I've been using iOS & Android for many years? > Do you know that I *test* what they can and cannot do without accounts? So what? I talk about using the device when not having an active connection to Apple servers and not about using it without setting up an Apple account at all. > If not, then you need to TRY it yourself. > Let's take the simplest case possible, Arno. > > a. Buy a new iOS device > b. Do NOT create a mothership account on it (i.e., Apple) > c. Tell us all what that device can do and cannot do JFTR: I got from my employer was already configured and I do *not* have an Apple account and I can *not* use stuff like the Apple App store. So Apple seems to provide options for companies to give their employees devices but without the need for an Apple account on the device itself. > Then let's repeat that simplest case, Arno, for all other OSs. > a. Buy a new Windows or Android device > b. Do NOT create a mothership account on it (i.e., MS or Google) Which is not possible in Windows 11 nowadays without any "hacks". The default is, that Windows won't install without a "mothership account". > c. Tell us all what that device can do and cannot do > > Do you see a difference? > Is it astoundingly huge? For Windows 11: no. > Why? Because Apple wants it this way. If you don't like that, don't use the devices - problem solved. > HINT: The iOS device can't do *anything* without that mothership account. > Which is why iOS owners are logged into Apple servers 24/7/365 forever. It depends what you define as "logged into Apple servers". > Yes. Even you. No, not me personally - see above, I don't have a personal Apple account on the device which I got from my employer and can't even install apps there. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de