Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!news.mixmin.net!news2.arglkargh.de!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Frank Slootweg Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android Subject: Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Date: 23 Jul 2015 18:08:40 GMT Organization: NOYB Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <1441f$55abc986$43da7656$24535@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> <21ooqapbl3d5tl0uhb40fnupsufvhigbdh@4ax.com> <210720151412334681%nospam@nospam.invalid> <8deb6$55af9f9e$43da7656$2630@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> <220720151033330238%nospam@nospam.invalid> <220720151854223176%nospam@nospam.invalid> X-Trace: individual.net fjrFt/Jqsztt35iCIiJz6gc/IlT/RgmwvzKziSNbneZLXWRbBM X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:mZLZIAFD4KJfJRuQfphhQDhuxxU= User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (CYGWIN_NT-6.2-WOW64/1.5.22(0.156/4/2) (i686)) Hamster/2.0.2.2 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 150723-0, 07/23/2015), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: aioe.org misc.phone.mobile.iphone:76145 comp.mobile.android:21244 nospam wrote: > In article , Frank Slootweg > wrote: > > > > > I dropped AT&T like a hot potato, and never looked back. I wonder if they > > > > *still* charge more for non-data plans with a smart phone? > > > > > > smart phones generally require a data plan, even if you don't plan to > > > use data, and that's not just at&t either. *very* few people are going > > > to get a smartphone and not use data. > > > > It that another US-only idiocy? Silent acknowledgement duly noted. > > No such requirement in most (all?) of the rest of the (civilized) > > world! But I'm sure you'll turn that into another "the usa does it > > correctly. everyone else does not.". > > carriers are free to offer whatever plans they think will be profitable > and consumers are free to sign up or not sign up for them. if few > people sign up, then they'll change their offerings. Exactly, and that's why many if not most if not all providers in most if not all of the rest of the world, *do* offer such dataless plans. And, according to other responses, so do some providers in the US. > carriers require data because that's where the money is. nearly > everyone has a smartphone and a smartphone without data is rather > limited. > > it's a business decision. Which they can make *themselves*, thank you very much! They don't need some anonymous Usenet poster to tell them what they can and cannot do.