Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'that?': 0.05; 'subject:code': 0.07; '"or': 0.09; 'mind,': 0.09; 'prefix': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'recommends': 0.09; 'will,': 0.09; 'works.': 0.09; 'api': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '__future__': 0.16; 'advice,': 0.16; 'clears': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'literal.': 0.16; 'porting': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:import': 0.16; 'subject:skip:u 10': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'do.': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'later': 0.20; 'import': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'code:': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'specifically': 0.29; 'statement': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'compatible': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'advice': 0.35; 'equal': 0.35; "who's": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'so,': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'according': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'url:3': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'such': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'within': 0.65; 'url:4': 0.69; 'subjectcharset:utf-8': 0.72; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'liberty': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'subject::': 0.85 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Portable code: =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98from?= __future__ import =?utf-8?Q?unicode=5Fliterals=E2=80=99?= a good idea? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:31:50 +1100 References: <85wq5tpe0g.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85oar4pgrn.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ha84AB/RSnA0yc39F5aeSQ4r48Y= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1418697119 news.xs4all.nl 2893 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33031 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:82572 Ned Batchelder writes: > On 12/15/14 7:42 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > As for the advice to avoid such a declaration, you're arguing against > > the official guide for porting Python 2 code to 2-and-3 compatible code: > > > > For text you should either use the from __future__ import > > unicode_literals statement or add a u prefix to the text literal. > > > > > > > > So, the declarative import is specifically recommended. You'll need to > > present a case for why I shouldn't follow that recommendation. > > What's wrong with this part of the recommendation?: "or add a u prefix > to the text literal." Who's saying there's anything wrong with that? Not I. My question is, what's wrong with the first part such that Devin recommends against it? > Also, keep in mind, these recommendations are not infallible. Yes, Devin clears up in a later message that the official guide provides no advice for the case where an API needs ‘bytes’ in Python 2 but Unicode in Python 3. > Be flexible. Do what works. Good advice, but nothing different from what I'm already trying to do. -- \ “[R]ightful liberty is unobstructed action, according to our | `\ will, within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of | _o__) others.” —Thomas Jefferson, 1819 | Ben Finney