Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'explicit': 0.07; 'mentioned,': 0.07; 'method.': 0.07; 'subject:method': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'changes': 0.15; 'assignment.': 0.16; 'attribute,': 0.16; 'attribute.': 0.16; 'boolean': 0.16; 'expensive,': 0.16; 'fail,': 0.16; 'foo()': 0.16; 'partly': 0.16; 'thread,': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; 'to:addr:steve+comp.lang.python': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'cheap': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'issue.': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'instance,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'with,': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'received:209.85.212': 0.32; 'cases': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'december': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'thanks': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'depends': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; '12,': 0.39; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'personal': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'afraid': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'obvious': 0.74; 'all!': 0.84; 'updated,': 0.84; 'capture': 0.91; 'subject:skip:w 20': 0.91; 'confirms': 0.95 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=45vj8YNWaTc80hx4SdPOhqIdFC5a84JxZmBDZZIipho=; b=KuW9J8mzcQdtGv+DRISVhisJnkIPSxEFXJKfrTYqJeojWSGfgeRPkJanayR+sbrKXJ k4Imhb9olYbx4a3iX2MU7QVqNF/nwTyt8xWSJp39qahmIZYNaOMqlnWzpLFyeHK7/XvP 4iP7hlANMGLX9AVtRtpVPx3c89ik2SOZGDIuCWv2Qu8i1ETZta3xYb9xcmxMOcJ6X+8/ 63D0VUmD1NlZ06s2s9GvsKR39WdCFRGqGPZ4Vl8WYbQliGruf1ucHYgeRzx2Nd4HSegs vWoW/2mC9TXLrjBsg1YBbtE+MHMUVGYGZLxqhKikmrtHaVWlUjxmviuRUEvdFb0N656h wAsA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkbjBYRas2ReyqgzMGLKEBLgeKdJ6fu9W8Fy+c3TSoyLKPiBqG4vtsLeE9YSbvaYMuZm+BQ X-Received: by 10.194.92.37 with SMTP id cj5mr50810076wjb.81.1418637446330; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 01:57:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [185.21.150.254] In-Reply-To: <548c21e2$0$13005$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <548c21e2$0$13005$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> From: Mateusz Loskot Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:56:56 +0100 Subject: Re: is_ as method or property? To: "Steven D'Aprano" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1418637454 news.xs4all.nl 2944 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42993 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:82555 On 13 December 2014 at 12:24, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Mateusz Loskot wrote: > >> On 12 December 2014 at 12:26, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Mateusz Loskot >>> wrote: >>>> I've got several cases which are not obvious to me. >>>> For instance, class Foo has a boolean attribute, read-write, >>>> which I see a couple of realisations for possible: > [...] >> I mentioned, setting the new value involves more changes to Foo() >> instance, so i's not possible to capture it with just an assignment. >> Hence, the discussion between property vs method. > > If the calculation is cheap and fast and "feels like" getting/setting an > attribute, then use property. > > If the calculation is expensive, or might fail, then use explicit > getter/setter methods. > > I'm afraid that there is no objective way to tell when something "feels > like" an attribute. That depends partly on the class you are dealing with, > and partly on personal taste. That confirms my now updated, thanks to this thread, understanding of that issue. Thanks all! Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net