Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'operator': 0.03; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'scipy': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'pep': 0.09; 'release.': 0.09; 'required,': 0.09; 'summary.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'mostly': 0.14; '465': 0.16; 'numpy': 0.16; 'operator.': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:Dev': 0.16; 'subject:edition': 0.16; 'unicode,': 0.16; 'usable': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'app': 0.19; 'implementing': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'received:209.85.216.46': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'developing': 0.27; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'then.': 0.30; 'anyone': 0.31; 'position.': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'point.': 0.35; 'test': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'received:209.85.216': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'expected': 0.38; 'depends': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'supporting': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'release': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'impact': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'matter': 0.61; 'strictly': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; '2015': 0.84; '3.4': 0.84; 'hardly': 0.84; 'subject:survey': 0.84 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HM4lbNO0aS7bC/dsC8m8Y8oQlkYgrb4k78igh0nlX7U=; b=lXjnEcMSdrUUJ26sQOscTYpesj8xuG0OanZzJnaGKoZ6/CidE6ui+1GAe36MnA5tzu QIudZiZiHYPdR77+PPc30MeLyjpEuDfpPiwE5i/qRCUSiJwCcbCrqVXm815uQtFQPaf8 Oihk5olEreZj/NhbChCm2PH6xaOOTW/Ymuii2uaN7mmSh3eM3jQSKAhkNqrUW4pdAbU6 Z3NiJEtnJcfE6NfuuQW0zzLgvbYmNgGGq/7WV3sJQqZnhjS9gcu2M27QmG2/brylWT4Y 9Xg2RvZDLayRJ3u2nd/g/xrJrKxOZgZKOVMb7ICjT5mSSZptwIFIiXS6iVbKd0u8pZAu gl7A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl+PDywdHTUu5m3+aahURW8LY8gWNhT+poxiG2Fju265bhNrCzGPD/ued6mSQAoz1lEENcY0pxevCe3/pTw5BX0m/hB6tYgz2jXF81Sehu8nIjmDBTEU/M3O/zJtlTne5SWSkde X-Received: by 10.224.160.212 with SMTP id o20mr34527204qax.57.1418413275726; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:41:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.160.212 with SMTP id o20mr34527118qax.57.1418413275101; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:41:15 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Ruffalo X-Google-Original-From: Matthew Ruffalo Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:41:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition References: <1418249069475.965a6c@Nodemailer> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mpv2.tis.cwru.edu) Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1418413660 news.xs4all.nl 2891 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35406 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!bete-des-vosges.org!feed.ac-versailles.fr!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:82464 On 12/11/2014 09:48 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > A possible reason: one is developing an app expected to be released > fall 2015 after the 3.5 release and the app depends on something new > in 3.5. I must admit though that I cannot think of any such thing now > for 3.5. For 3.3 there was the new unicode, which was first committed > about a year before release. For 3.4, there was asyncio, but it was > not committed until beta1, and was hardly usable then. > > So it was a defensible position. Anyone who would check 3.5 could > just as well check 3.4 and have most of the same impact on the summary. The NumPy and SciPy developers who are implementing support for PEP 465 ('@' as a dedicated matrix multiplication operator) will likely want to test against a development version of 3.5 at some point. Using 3.5 isn't strictly required, though, since supporting the @ operator is mostly a matter of implementing the new __matmul__ methods and one can test those by calling them directly instead of using the new operator. MMR...