Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=python.org; s=200901; t=1418336555; bh=a/z+oaAzaaR4r7hbT6TFdMXomYfZ7OBOqZeX0vz/b08=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:References:Cc:From; b=UQ0shAY3D56V3z9W64ncC1if0uFJajgw/yP/TzwjRIMTIXim6K7T+jnBtg/vutfAW etuoFLhQZgXdtcTdJG8D3mLo3k1TMMoUCC/moJdSuKZPAsHYULY5XpdHWlo/uCHekg czNPVclDsYG4mFzBy3zNnZgo4BYivF27n66ueqv8= X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'url:launchpad': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'alternatives': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'mailman': 0.10; 'sfxlen:2': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'bilingual': 0.16; 'blocked': 0.16; 'from:addr:barry': 0.16; 'from:name:barry warsaw': 0.16; 'port,': 0.16; 'porting': 0.16; 'received:216.15': 0.16; 'received:216.15.33': 0.16; 'received:216.15.33.194': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:mail.wooz.org': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:wooz.org': 0.16; 'sqlalchemy': 0.16; 'storm,': 0.16; 'subject:Dev': 0.16; 'subject:edition': 0.16; 'contributed': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.org': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; 'cheers,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; '[1]': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'url:code': 0.29; '[2]': 0.30; 'dec': 0.30; 'important.': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'branches': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'beginning': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'found.': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'slowly': 0.60; 'ago.': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'high': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'effectively': 0.66; 'default': 0.69; 'quality': 0.72; '2014,': 0.84; 'increasingly': 0.84; 'subject:survey': 0.84; 'victory': 0.84; 'incredibly': 0.96; 'wholesale': 0.96 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Barry Warsaw Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:22:16 -0500 Organization: Damn Crazy Followers of the Horn References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/Tb5m/1oIv+asVkpIkw8_CAS"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.wooz.org X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: python-dev@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1418336556 news.xs4all.nl 2896 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49546 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:82391 --Sig_/Tb5m/1oIv+asVkpIkw8_CAS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Dec 11, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: >I disagree. I know there's a huge focus on The Big Libraries (and wholesale >migration is all but impossible without them), but the long tail of >libraries is still incredibly important. It is, but I think it's increasingly the case that packages which don't support Python 3 will either be shamed into it, important enough to get high quality contributed ports, or will be effectively abandoned and alternatives found. This is a big change from where we were several years ago. All my new $work code is Python 3. Some libraries are bilingual but applications start and stay in Python 3-only. Just recently the last two dependencies in Mailman 3 that blocked us from beginning the port to Python 3 have been replaced[1]. We have active branc= hes that are slowly porting own code now[2]. While we can't quite declare victory yet, and there will always be legacy c= ode for which there just aren't the resources to port, I think it's perfectly reasonable for Python 3 to be the default target version for any new code (= and a lot of existing code). Cheers, -Barry [1] SQLAlchemy replaced Storm, and Falcon replaced restish in our trunk. 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