Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!bcyclone01.am1.xlned.com!bcyclone01.am1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.096 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.81; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'yet.': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'twisted,': 0.07; 'migration': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '*real*': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'ported': 0.16; 'subject:Dev': 0.16; 'subject:edition': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'slightly': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'cc:addr:gmail.com': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'url:moin': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'cc:2**2': 0.30; 'dec': 0.30; 'important.': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'easy,': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'perl': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'updated': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'email addr:python.org': 0.37; 'thank': 0.38; 'url:options': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'skip:_ 40': 0.38; '(from': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'year.': 0.61; 'took': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'url:blogspot': 0.65; 'relatively': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'results': 0.69; 'url:gl': 0.72; 'url:goo': 0.75; 'unsubscribe:': 0.77; 'lack': 0.78; 'email name:python-dev': 0.84; 'now*': 0.84; 'python-dev': 0.84; 'subject:survey': 0.84; 'url:python-dev': 0.84; 'usage.': 0.84; '-\xc2\xa0': 0.91; 'conducted': 0.91; 'edition,': 0.91; 'migrating': 0.91; 'incredibly': 0.96; 'wholesale': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MPeF4xcnAQPU6SvAVE4ZChLGbAUnnp6ItnI8AlW/w98=; b=AbbPlTK0ug5CF/OoH8psxd78jTuCKjYRXV+hVoxz53hOieZBF7Kt3bdQBcik8epfL5 MzSQw13NrVfwEhhdQy7qcI2UAP6L9u6bmRAO7bUfNGh08oVz6e/DhX4hKKQEEx9L5dLR t6y30/JhsJkzjEdFgQHlWS98cJARJPS/WYStlSWLpqQ699waGS1VDlykLo+cIm8hzFw0 HHSxnUQwHd73fShZW9zAJcTgin/DlkJ32wQG1Y6lKFuXLnFHW8tX21W1o4G0df9GZlJM QCSiJGvretpW6XlQ4ZZlkTc9l+h3YSTQgP//nXI/sAbXV6RE+h5H8sBVe6O0Q7jvI53n 5wTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.161.101 with SMTP id xr5mr7550184oeb.85.1418326507090; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:35:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:35:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition From: Mark Roberts To: "Giampaolo Rodola'" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f4caa177d00509f5df60 Cc: Python List , python-dev , Dan Stromberg X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 120 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1418326511 news.xs4all.nl 2895 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37273 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Bytes: 10035 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2730085152 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:82377 --e89a8fb1f4caa177d00509f5df60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I disagree. I know there's a huge focus on The Big Libraries (and wholesale migration is all but impossible without them), but the long tail of libraries is still incredibly important. It's like saying that migrating the top 10 Perl libraries to Perl 6 would allow people to completely ignore all of CPAN. It just doesn't make sense. -Mark On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Giampaolo Rodola' wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Bruno Cauet wrote: > >> Hi all, >> Last year a survey was conducted on python 2 and 3 usage. >> Here is the 2014 edition, slightly updated (from 9 to 11 questions). >> It should not take you more than 1 minute to fill. I would be pleased if >> you took that time. >> >> Here's the url: http://goo.gl/forms/tDTcm8UzB3 >> I'll publish the results around the end of the year. >> >> Last year results: https://wiki.python.org/moin/2.x-vs-3.x-survey >> >> Thank you >> Bruno >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-Dev mailing list >> Python-Dev@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev >> Unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/g.rodola%40gmail.com >> > > I still think the only *real* obstacle remains the lack of important > packages such as twisted, gevent and pika which haven't been ported yet. > With those ones ported switching to Python 3 *right now* is not only > possible and relatively easy, but also convenient. > > > -- > Giampaolo - http://grodola.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/wizzat%40gmail.com > > --e89a8fb1f4caa177d00509f5df60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I disagree. I know there's a huge focus on The Big Lib= raries (and wholesale migration is all but impossible without them), but th= e long tail of libraries is still incredibly important. It's like sayin= g that migrating the top 10 Perl libraries to Perl 6 would allow people to = completely ignore all of CPAN. It just doesn't make sense.

-Mark

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Giampaolo Rodola' <g.rodola@g= mail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Bruno Cauet <brun= ocauet@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi al= l,
Last year a survey was conducted on python 2 and 3 usage.
Here is the 2014 edition, slightly updated (from 9 to 11 questions).It should not take you more than 1 minute to fill. I would be pleased if y= ou took that time.

I'll publish the results around the end of the y= ear.


Thank you
Bruno

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I still think the only *real* obstacle remains t= he lack of important packages such as twisted, gevent and pika which haven&= #39;t been ported yet.
With those ones port= ed switching to Python 3 *right now* is not only possible and relatively ea= sy, but also convenient.


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