Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.026 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'observation': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'shaw': 0.09; 'subject:set': 0.09; 'caring': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:default': 0.16; 'subject:parameters': 0.16; 'subject:their': 0.16; 'subject:values': 0.16; 'world;': 0.16; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; "i'm": 0.30; 'writes:': 0.31; 'there': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'solving': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'name': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'world': 0.66; 'frequently': 0.68; 'power': 0.76; 'subject:get': 0.81; 'glad': 0.83; 'achievement': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; '\xe2\x80\x9cthe': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: When do default parameters get their values set? Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:49:46 +1100 References: <54866F2E.1765.complang@piz.noip.com> <54866F2E.1768.complang@piz.noip.com> <54890c3d$0$2817$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qzWhWVVMb8gbPehUqv2T4MBRiqM= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1418269795 news.xs4all.nl 2964 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56355 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:82333 Rustom Mody writes: > In the FP world referential opaqueness is the name of the devil. Caring about object identity is not the same as referential opacity. > In the more 'real' imperative/OO world there's way too much of it. I'm very glad to be programming in the real world; there is more achievement in solving problems here. -- \ “The power of accurate observation is frequently called | `\ cynicism by those who don't have it.” —George Bernard Shaw | _o__) | Ben Finney