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From: "Fetchinson ." To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1418159772 news.xs4all.nl 2974 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39889 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:82239 On 12/9/14, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 12/05/2014 03:30 AM, Fetchinson responded to >> Steven D'Aprano's rant of: >>> >>> Many links are broken. When you click on the broken link, it says that >>> it >>> has been reported and will be fixed, but weeks later it remains broken, >>> e.g.: >>> >>> https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py >> >> What makes you think that this page is ought to return actual content? > > Could you rephrase that question? The way it's worded at the moment is like > going to a restaurant, ordering some food, > having the plate of food put in front of you, trying to eat the food and > getting nothing but air, and then having the > waiter say, "What makes you think there would be actual substance?" As Ian pointed out in another message in this thread there is a link on python.org that points to the above page. I did not know this. So when I read that a link is broken, to me it sounded like, hey, there isn't any content at https://python.org/some/bla/bla/bla/random/stuff which made me ask why does the OP think there should be anything. If there are no links to it, it's fine, if there is one (or more) then of course it's not fine. Apparently the case is the latter. Cheers, Daniel > >> And what would you estimate, how many standard deviations are you away >> from the average viewer of python.org in terms of these metrics (where >> the metrics are like/dislike of menus, like/dislike of mouse moving, >> like/dislike of unexpected browser behavior, like/dislike of links, >> like/dislike of slide shows, etc.)? > > I am reminded of the quote by Edsger W. Dijkstra: > > Simplicity and elegance are unpopular because they require > hard work and discipline to achieve and education to be > appreciated. > > -- > ~Ethan~ > > -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown