Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'broken': 0.04; 'say,': 0.05; 'mouse': 0.07; 'fixed,': 0.09; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'metrics': 0.09; 'question?': 0.09; 'subject:design': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'behavior,': 0.16; 'broken.': 0.16; 'eat': 0.16; 'filename:fname piece:signature': 0.16; 'link,': 0.16; 'moving,': 0.16; 'ought': 0.16; 'reminded': 0.16; 'unexpected': 0.16; 'url:py': 0.16; 'trying': 0.19; '(where': 0.19; 'later': 0.20; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'subject:like': 0.24; 'subject:python.org': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'appreciated.': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'getting': 0.31; 'responded': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'front': 0.32; 'python.org': 0.32; 'weeks': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'actual': 0.34; 'moment': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'quote': 0.39; 'reported': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'browser': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'education': 0.64; 'of:': 0.68; 'food': 0.72; 'links,': 0.74; 'click': 0.77; 'air,': 0.84; 'menus,': 0.84; 'plate': 0.84; 'shows,': 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.87; 'discipline': 0.91; 'average': 0.93 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:24:24 -0800 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Do you like the current design of python.org? References: <54818c42$0$12995$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hfmKQwFdcisNq7AKSaUgfbvbQhwUgWwjb" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 65 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1418156675 news.xs4all.nl 2937 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59260 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:82236 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --hfmKQwFdcisNq7AKSaUgfbvbQhwUgWwjb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/05/2014 03:30 AM, Fetchinson responded to > Steven D'Aprano's rant of: >>=20 >> Many links are broken. When you click on the broken link, it says that= it >> has been reported and will be fixed, but weeks later it remains broken= , >> e.g.: >> >> https://www.python.org/doc/essays/metaclasses/Eiffel.py >=20 > What makes you think that this page is ought to return actual content? Could you rephrase that question? The way it's worded at the moment is l= ike going to a restaurant, ordering some food, having the plate of food put in front of you, trying to eat the food and = getting nothing but air, and then having the waiter say, "What makes you think there would be actual substance?" > And what would you estimate, how many standard deviations are you away > from the average viewer of python.org in terms of these metrics (where > the metrics are like/dislike of menus, like/dislike of mouse moving, > like/dislike of unexpected browser behavior, like/dislike of links, > like/dislike of slide shows, etc.)? I am reminded of the quote by Edsger W. Dijkstra: Simplicity and elegance are unpopular because they require hard work and discipline to achieve and education to be appreciated. -- ~Ethan~ --hfmKQwFdcisNq7AKSaUgfbvbQhwUgWwjb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUh1p+AAoJENZ7D1rrH75ND8sP/R4CJ2iC+r+dqoVZGGGelRG+ +oekr9tQ3fFmJJx0dQFZTWKfYQwSdbiJMRpiti4Px07qoWWKqsOEvyzJ0KnQqGPo DfEopQpIv7c/nkcIL1E3C35E4uf1nTnbbRaCAB21fgTKqQavX43BSaV2X19HmI+u m6uZeFyMCBvbfHIoxPFDdY6T9oeedlaNIDsIbRFke3OTk4FD4pUGXfzf7uswM+j9 iv+hpgHqZTEDpr8VxH59+OywhW2v4DuBhcdPDG3Z2zwlzHGB2Pcu9z5xvd+W4VSL viHLnblPHk5yK7/2sZ00VBNLzNh7LPFvR3ggdoNULM7jF9XsjUhtE6GyyKU/N0xS nxB3r5/T/1asYF8om8DGwimwyT/tdLKc1oWVcAMdGLhdLjZu0tHo6A1iR5YDIjxX XGmw15YkezxnhlNFAywdW6MqZs75o3iJPR2mZYYuuTQK68xi6Cagit/6ngOFIUsL 3fhAXOj8gCHcashRh0gRvDccgd3rGbHXNWv+tborQ+KHJFkKHbHZjMAYtcX+P8AR uo7PXysYUQWh27x3U+2yi//o3P0YNlAHDlLD2zFi3mrpzGMvZ+oropv/zaHtBJiI JdS9pkxxfTCxXuTQo9B+qxVHWegwVRCkkEgZts+Id48ZXZSEa3R4vqFIDarlcpCN WcEOWA5MOinTFSerMidc =bu2j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hfmKQwFdcisNq7AKSaUgfbvbQhwUgWwjb--