Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'example:': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'plenty': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'agree,': 0.09; 'false.': 0.09; 'literal': 0.09; 'subject:using': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'caveat': 0.16; 'expects': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'iteration': 0.16; 'loop.': 0.16; 'object()': 0.16; 'res': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'sentinel': 0.16; 'exception': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'variable': 0.18; 'slightly': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'fine': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'least': 0.26; 'values': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'raise': 0.29; 'thus': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'becoming': 0.31; 'controlled': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'supposed': 0.32; "we're": 0.32; 'sense': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'false': 0.36; 'yield': 0.36; 'next': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'previous': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; 'changed': 0.39; 'break': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'save': 0.62; 'kind': 0.63; 'become': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'chance': 0.65; 'brain': 0.68; 'nobody': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'wall.': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=95DrrRKvG+aoWcOQxqTR3lXH+WyVZWE755JmtpDfrM8=; b=Bq7DfewMjE2+qSQMfQWT9hcSiQBB/qmFNZNnmNeTF6wNc9/QO9BfvOo6tVdQ12eGdP WXGCH26Yu1RdbjD1l8TBOeHS331zTp3I9IiKlu1ah3x+oqf7AlORcEz8jJnj+kjyQi3x HwhBuCjuObY7fxCC3owS4qfPCug+3iMN558+Qor2Ur49F5pObd09vWxtAh1a9+GAbKUj tUtpXX3HPJ6Re5P50AAh2FhVCLh3dzw+l6RTbosXXNkYeW9dvjp/BfISn92RFIDO0d9g /SfmmCXBX2qXpoXzCy4LvIy5zVS83D39GlNfbSHVEQeKCA4RuRKZXzwL2uh7sla5RpMW weCA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.94.14 with SMTP id z14mr16415190icm.59.1417998864032; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:34:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <004e01d01173$e1641c10$a42c5430$@gmail.com> <5484e3d8$0$13013$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:34:23 +1100 Subject: Re: Python Iterables struggling using map() built-in From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1417998873 news.xs4all.nl 2832 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40469 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:82086 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > Ugh. When I see "while foo", my brain says, "OK, you're about to see a > loop which is controlled by the value of foo being changed inside the > loop". That's not at all what's happening here, so my brain runs into a > wall. I agree, with the caveat that this kind of thing makes a fine infinite loop: while "No exception raised": # do stuff that can raise an exception while "Playing more games": play_game() if not still_playing: break reset_game_board() Nobody expects a string literal to actually become false inside the loop. With a local name, yes, I would expect it to at least have a chance of becoming false. > Next problem, what the heck is "res"? We're not back in the punch-card > days. We don't have to abbreviate variable names to save columns. > Variable names are supposed to describe what they hold, and thus help > you understand the code. I have no idea what "res" is supposed to be. > Residue? Result? Rest_of_items? Response? None of these make much > sense here, so I'm just left befuddled. I take it as "result", which makes plenty of sense to me. It's the thing that's about to be yielded. Given that there's not much else you can say in a meta-function like zip(), I have no problem with that. Here's a slightly different example: def mark_last(it): it = iter(it) lastres = sentinel = object() while "more values coming": res = next(it, sentinel) if lastres is not sentinel: yield (lastres, res is sentinel) if res is sentinel: return lastres = res Use of "res" for "result" and "lastres" to mean "res as of the previous iteration of the loop" seems fine to me. ChrisA