Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.163 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.68; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'elements.': 0.07; 'wrong,': 0.09; 'assume': 0.14; 'thread': 0.14; 'i\xe2\x80\x99m': 0.16; 'received:10.0.1.5': 0.16; 'received:mac.com': 0.16; 'spacing': 0.16; 'threads,': 0.16; 'elements': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'received:10.0.1': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; '(in': 0.22; 'url:home': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'to:2**1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'changed.': 0.31; 'sea': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'moment': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; '+0200,': 0.36; 'earth': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'material': 0.36; 'received:10.0': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'received:17': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'volume': 0.39; 'weight': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'future': 0.60; 'times': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'provide': 0.64; 'six': 0.68; 'wear': 0.68; 'therefore': 0.72; 'lack': 0.78; '2014,': 0.84; 'actually,': 0.84; 'atmosphere': 0.84; 'atmospheric': 0.84; 'atomic': 0.84; 'density': 0.84; 'header:In-reply-to:1': 0.84; 'swimming': 0.84; "they'd": 0.84; 'wings,': 0.84; 'same,': 0.91 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) Subject: Re: Python handles globals badly. From: William Ray Wing In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:17:03 -0500 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable References: <87a933a88t.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> To: Dennis Lee Bieber , python-list@python.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-12-05_03:2014-12-04,2014-12-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1412050038 Cc: "William R. Wing" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1417756648 news.xs4all.nl 2863 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!bete-des-vosges.org!feed.ac-versailles.fr!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:81974 > On Dec 4, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber = wrote: >=20 > On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:51:14 +0200, Marko Rauhamaa > declaimed the following: >=20 >> Chris Angelico : >>=20 >>> A lot of programs don't use threads, and therefore cannot have = thread >>> safety problems - or, looking at it the other way, do not care about >>> thread safetiness. It's like having Neil Armstrong wear water wings = to >>> make sure he won't drown in the Sea of Tranquility. >>=20 >> The water wings would be too unwieldy since they'd have to be six = times >> as large on the moon. It's all about risk/benefit analysis. >=20 > Actually, since the pull of gravity is 1/6th that of earth, but = the > density of the "water" is the Sea is the same, the water wings should = be > smaller to provide the same degree of lift. >=20 > Of course, the lack of atmospheric pressure is going to result = in the > water wings expanding, perhaps to the bursting point... > --=20 > Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN > wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ >=20 > --=20 > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Wrong, again I=E2=80=99m afraid. Assume for a moment you are under a = dome pressurized to one standard atmosphere in some future moon colony = and are in a swimming pool. Both you AND the water are under 1/6th as = much gravitational pull. Neither your density nor the water=E2=80=99s = density has changed. Density is a function of the atomic weight of the = elements making up both you and the water and the inter-atomic/molecular = spacing of those elements. Neither has changed. Therefore the volume = of buoyant material (in the case of water wings, air) necessary to keep = you above water is the same on earth as it would be on the moon. =20 -Bill=