Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'compiler': 0.07; 'though:': 0.07; 'namespace': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'mostly': 0.14; "'q'": 0.16; 'declaration': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'kasper': 0.16; 'weird': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'do.': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; 'example': 0.22; 'otherwise,': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'creating': 0.23; 'of.': 0.24; 'space.': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'skip:c 30': 0.32; 'older': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'agree': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'nov': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'even': 0.60; 'around.': 0.60; 'affect': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'side': 0.67; 'natural': 0.68; '26,': 0.68; 'transfer': 0.82; 'tricky': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=wyRrn1BDXIJaQgxgKcmnsG1+Pk/OQ3OBxEEz9jx4xn0=; b=J1OP6UlotLpWAUZrFmZYrwxg7zMvpg23bkWHRuZaCJ6S20YsTHrNIjM1VelBuGvQz3 lwUbvGGXYNxB6TGtPzN16RGXamqIDTzl/xJUMW4+8r01aHlvgrJPqtP6IKQwOcnf9QQM MFOoRl/PJTKkbHoud6eJe76CMSjJnYFR6W720m9Uguk4qcob/WZww6pwSflmO+qI+0eV VLL/rv6EFt1pZApZvPpmIXZk5xhTAKN2ZJnJyhsDCmRPmR4SZq373yV38YWUUV3WXkXI ZrL6T4lZt/WdhMAsgwoAXHrhaB1ybtcBVh72ViOl1V0s1ED5DNL8yM3prtm50CfhtAGy XhQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.17.79 with SMTP id z76mr28312498ioi.27.1416999093937; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:51:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141126104628.78ed4022@klug> References: <20141126102257.141b108f@klug> <20141126104628.78ed4022@klug> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:51:33 +1100 Subject: Re: PyEval_GetLocals and unreferenced variables From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1416999097 news.xs4all.nl 2943 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38807 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:81559 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Kasper Peeters wrote: > I agree that in this example that would be the natural thing to do. > My case is more tricky though: I have something like > > def fun(): > cfun_that_creates_q_in_local_scope() > def fun2(): > cfun_that_wants_to_see_if_q_is_available() > > So the Python side actually doesn't see 'q' directly at all. > > I am willing to elaborate on this if you want (I have fairly good > reasons to do things this way, mostly having to do with historical > constraints of an older C library that I cannot avoid), but it > requires more space. > To be honest, that's just made it even more weird :) You're creating something in a local namespace that the Python compiler isn't aware of. I wonder, would a 'nonlocal q' declaration inside fun2 affect things any? Otherwise, maybe there's some completely different way to transfer information around. Using locals in this way seems fraught with peril. ChrisA