Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.albasani.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.028 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'postgresql': 0.07; 'pypi': 0.07; 'python': 0.11; "wouldn't": 0.14; '>>': 0.16; '23,': 0.16; 'barrier': 0.16; 'subject:dependencies': 0.16; 'subject:import': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'module': 0.19; 'typical': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'in.': 0.36; 'entry': 0.36; 'skip:& 10': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'days': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'sound': 0.68; "today's": 0.70; 'wave': 0.74; 'growing.': 0.84; 'standards,': 0.84; 'subject:history': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IAJiRkSQyufnwc02DKwcfXk8rTOpi7xFZxWxrkoWGeo=; b=kL6pAVK7vm1qL2fu1E4KRCZ3dYWzh8kZ9n3HcA2eHHiSdWg22oQe2AONKGPfQH0nTL NWVD8Ns0EFvOC3m/fWCgyK05pctWXLNv2lVOD6SIG1SwVVGq91QCc1bqHCIknPYdScYW nBExOxqZELGsT7xL0f/T5hXmAAo/LvLopqVvSZIQmyDgaWsxo5kjfF+J59Xr3GzuAcIZ WbV1juKcYuwd6NKRuts8LKS0gchJXU2Rz/JnrggU6DA6+t7mbrm9C+CpmAXwXn+wbP/7 ElewfmUGRizl4JDHwmc2r5W2NDrTMu2E4jtWkXa+5N7x521YUb8L/IzRQPY4D7TBBMID BICw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.91.66 with SMTP id cc2mr36693443pbb.156.1416868468559; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:34:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <066c46c8-a04d-4489-b15a-b603c1b1818b@googlegroups.com> <8661e407-4472-4208-97c2-f666f6502c67@googlegroups.com> <547080a0$0$12981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <54717eeb$0$12992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:34:28 -0700 Subject: Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" From: Ian Kelly To: Python Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6dc7acc317a90508a265e2 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1416868471 news.xs4all.nl 2850 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41088 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:81472 --047d7b6dc7acc317a90508a265e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Nov 23, 2014 4:41 PM, "Gregory Ewing" wrote: > > Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> Just out of curiosity, why does the stdlib need modules for >> manipulating .wav and other sound files, but we have to go to PyPI to >> get a PostgreSQL client? > > > I suspect it's mainly for historical reasons. The wave > module has been around since the very early days of > Python when the stldib was smaller and the barrier > to entry was lower. By today's standards, it probably > wouldn't make it in. Size may also be a factor. The wave module is around 300 lines of Python code and isn't growing. The typical dbapi module is probably a bit larger. --047d7b6dc7acc317a90508a265e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8


On Nov 23, 2014 4:41 PM, "Gregory Ewing" <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, why does the stdlib need modules for
>> manipulating .wav and other sound files, but we have to go to PyPI to
>> get a PostgreSQL client?
>
>
> I suspect it's mainly for historical reasons. The wave
> module has been around since the very early days of
> Python when the stldib was smaller and the barrier
> to entry was lower. By today's standards, it probably
> wouldn't make it in.

Size may also be a factor. The wave module is around 300 lines of Python code and isn't growing. The typical dbapi module is probably a bit larger.

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