Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; '22,': 0.09; 'append': 0.09; 'literal': 0.09; 'lst': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'itself.': 0.14; 'expression,': 0.16; 'expression.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'itself,': 0.16; 'stuff.': 0.16; 'syntax,': 0.16; 'tuple': 0.16; 'tuples,': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'first.': 0.19; 'possible,': 0.19; 'code,': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'comments': 0.31; 'breaking': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'nov': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'itself': 0.39; 'simply': 0.61; 'refer': 0.63; 'special': 0.74; 'whereas': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=p2G2zkDpn4GZOIwywpbb5UtBSDwjLWC/v3QWMifyook=; b=WG/vmraXTFT1IY0A3HMMicqrb4+t4lSkY0XU2hc7hqDUhjwNxGUVkHgwQARBgcUoOL 93oOmuFUYjD+3HGVQP+RWXMGzTzlrlUPmbaTHX+cCfZfnHeysGvXN3+Os/xLKumwHq+F 3OmrYQtniZAMHgJ6JxRi+Annt8lheWWMPUi3vmqMx1fMAdSm3lhWx5toxSfm919bLnMT z/C3NIIYFBvApI5Iv+eVqjdMEYXoYKS0melNexEn+BE4qXlhTRqWOC/4Z+0gE1tnVwCV g9U4+R9iQr3wndGRj9lDYuxWwCDk0vasejCvSmTR5YsEBFcTKI0t3i7WC9t7HdWMPGYI lv4g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.134.39 with SMTP id i39mr7917513iod.53.1416631812067; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 20:50:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54701468$0$12986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <931d12c0-12b3-4278-a9b9-1e2c32f138b3@googlegroups.com> <87bno16nsw.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <54701468$0$12986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:50:12 +1100 Subject: Re: Infinitely nested containers From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1416631815 news.xs4all.nl 2907 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58262 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!bete-des-vosges.org!feed.ac-versailles.fr!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:81268 On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > random832@fastmail.us wrote: > >> There's no reason not to allow it with tuples, but you can't do it. >> Mainly because doing it in a single literal would require special >> syntax, whereas you can simply append to a list a reference to itself. > > You can't append a list to itself in a single expression, you have to create > the list first. It's possible to have a list directly refer to itself: lst = [] lst.append(lst) It's not possible, with pure Python code, to create a tuple with a reference to itself, because you have to create a tuple with a single expression. Hence the comments about using the C API... and breaking stuff. ChrisA