Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'tutorial': 0.03; 'motivated': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'environments': 0.07; 'exists.': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'freedom,': 0.09; 'git': 0.09; 'integration,': 0.09; 'mercurial': 0.09; 'python:': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'eclipse': 0.16; 'ecosystem': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'url:pydev': 0.16; 'vendor)': 0.16; 'workflows.': 0.16; '(not': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'community,': 0.19; 'have:': 0.19; 'url:article': 0.19; 'putting': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'platform,': 0.24; 'url:moin': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'testing': 0.29; 'vendor': 0.30; 'especially': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'software,': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'evil': 0.31; 'maintains': 0.31; 'pascal': 0.31; 'religious': 0.31; 'respects': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'maintaining': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'community': 0.33; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'skip:u 20': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'i.e.': 0.36; 'licensed': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'effort': 0.37; 'unit': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'driving': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'major': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'invest': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'today.': 0.61; 'url:about': 0.61; 'interest': 0.64; 'become': 0.64; 'needs,': 0.65; 'investment': 0.66; 'direct': 0.67; '8bit%:21': 0.69; 'marketplace': 0.81; 'glad': 0.83; 'grave': 0.84; 'loses': 0.84; 'more:': 0.84; 'packaging,': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'tie': 0.84; 'worthless': 0.84; 'benefits:': 0.91; 'mistake': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Python-friendly IDE (was: Python IDE.) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:17:58 +1100 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:mC5UA4OdjyDilFposqYbfsiDrcM= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 60 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1416615492 news.xs4all.nl 2909 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48626 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:81257 kiloran writes: > I'm very happy with Eclipse Eclipse has many benefits: * It is not Python-specific. I consider it a grave mistake to invest a lot of effort in learning a Python-specific development environment, when there are plenty of good environments that do not tie you especially to one language. * It respects software freedom, i.e. it is licensed as free software . This has many benefits . * Because it is free software, any motivated programmer (not only the vendor) can adapt it for any platform, so as a result it runs fine on every major desktop platform today. * Because it is free software, the user community (not only the vendor) can direct how it meets their needs, and there is a thriving ecosystem of plug-ins to adapt it to various workflows. * Because it is free software, your investment spent learning to use it will not become worthless when the vendor loses interest in maintaining it. * Because it is free software, the user community is free to set up an ecosystem that works with it, and they have: the Eclipse Marketplace . * Because it is free software with a thriving community, there are many resources available for putting it to work with popular languages like Python: * PyDev makes Eclipse into a Python IDE. * Lars Vogel maintains a tutorial for driving Eclipse and PyDev . * Version control integration, using either Mercurial or Git . * and more: build system integration, unit testing integration, code refactoring, packaging, etc. I don't actually use Eclipse (Unix is my IDE). But the fact that it's free software with a thriving user-community-driven ecosystem makes me very glad it exists. For a counterpoint, with much discussion of the downsides, see . -- \ “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do | `\ it from religious conviction.” —Blaise Pascal (1623–1662), | _o__) Pensées, #894. | Ben Finney