Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'subject:Django': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject: + ': 0.07; 'migration': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:script': 0.09; '\xe2\x80\x94': 0.09; 'developers,': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'django': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; 'finney': 0.16; 'path.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'rewriting': 0.16; 'shops': 0.16; 'subject:Converting': 0.16; 'subject:PHP': 0.16; 'code,': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "i've": 0.25; 'right.': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'michael': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'base,': 0.31; 'convince': 0.31; 'religious': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'worked': 0.33; 'standards': 0.33; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'subject:with': 0.35; 'knows': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'requirements': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'writes': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'subject:skip:C 10': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'entire': 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'shop': 0.69; 'received:125': 0.84; 'shop,': 0.84; 'stranded': 0.84; 'url:video': 0.84; '\xe2\x80\x9cthe': 0.91; 'convinced': 0.93; 'hand,': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Converting a PHP app to Python + Django (was: Communicating with a PHP script (and pretending I'm a browser)) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:54:45 +1100 References: <546395E9.40902@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:d1sxxewxXDRdCzIAXQzEOOj71jY= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1415814896 news.xs4all.nl 2960 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55008 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:80616 Michael Torrie writes: > If the shop is entire a PHP shop, and no one knows python, then > rewriting things in Python and Django is a really bad idea. It can be done well; see “Transitioning from PHP to Django on the sly” . The presenter emphasises that one of the more important requirements is to convince everyone: the management, the developers, even stakeholder customers/users. > I've worked in shops before where one person comes in with a new > language, writes some code, then leaves, leaving us stranded as it > were. Right. On the other hand, I've worked in shops where the big PHP code base is seen by all as a legacy code base, and the stakeholders were quite open to being convinced to migrate — provided a clear migration path. That's what the above presentation goes into. I recommend it. -- \ “The double standard that exempts religious activities from | `\ almost all standards of accountability should be dismantled | _o__) once and for all.” —Daniel Dennett, 2010-01-12 | Ben Finney