Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.040 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'problem:': 0.07; 'oh,': 0.09; "person's": 0.09; 'questions?': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; '4:39': 0.16; 'chris,': 0.16; 'clayton': 0.16; 'employers': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'programmer,': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'employer': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'not,': 0.20; 'programming': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'hiring': 0.29; 'moved': 0.30; 'waste': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '(although': 0.31; 'about.': 0.31; 'them?': 0.31; 'time;': 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; 'not.': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'problem.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'doubt': 0.36; 'right?': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'previous': 0.38; '12,': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'happen': 0.63; 'pick': 0.64; 'talking': 0.65; 'worth': 0.66; 'subject:. ': 0.67; 'jobs': 0.68; 'applicants': 0.83; "employees'": 0.84; 'subject:know': 0.84; 'subject:read': 0.84; 'afford': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'hundred': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=6/YK8JQRxPZnfs8dpOZnqvEy62SjRGoAfPjuC93s37M=; b=hKa+/6k9cTZnCeVN96Ea4lzHukmspEKIt/wuk3+fzzlJy8Iu/bFikb9xSNcQnU+axH ne+UYXO1unbAvdkkodovRzDy/iEMfD2VKuKCYpR7/1oQqtEmLh1MzfHsM+lhuPiE7xXZ Z7V74W/H5zZMADDt8onTxzIsG8sgUgGW8COy9CizdBHhwkjSlxDSHQBjA2/ah5lH6PGp XGnA/hAbeobFzjks6X7MSlQFZqSfG0ysrIjcaI8/N7uyqtmFEHQlnjmfH+sdbTM/ozpg jP2dCLiFn0Lpm740cmKRst6llIx8nWT6i8Tv7SZROkZkLFk5kJXjRAS2MvHIJ+r569X8 BhpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.134.89 with SMTP id i86mr23002452iod.53.1415783757225; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 01:15:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <036301cffe3b$1055d5a0$310180e0$@us> References: <019e01cffd3d$18b60c50$4a2224f0$@us> <036301cffe3b$1055d5a0$310180e0$@us> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:15:57 +1100 Subject: Re: I don't read docs and don't know how to use Google. What does the print function do? From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1415783765 news.xs4all.nl 2891 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58928 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:80599 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Clayton Kirkwood wrote: > Chris, you're kidding, right? People get programming jobs without the > knowledge? How do they keep them? Don't hiring people look at code examples, > or previous employment? Ask relevant questions? Oh, I didn't say they *keep* the jobs, nor necessarily even get them! (Although that can happen too - check out http://thedailywtf.com/ and some of the stories of what former employees' code can look like.) I'm talking about them applying, and then the potential employers have to weed through the utter incompetents to find the few who actually know what they're talking about. If the employer is himself/herself a programmer, this is a huge waste of a skilled person's time; if not, the short-listing of applicants will be highly flawed. Hence the problem: it's so hard to pick the right applicants that the right applicants end up not being picked - and so jobs remain unfilled (as I can attest to - the same job postings keep coming up in my RSS feeds), or incompetents get jobs and then get moved on. Sure, you could figure out whether one person is worth hiring or not. But when you have two hundred applications, can you afford to talk to every single one of them? I doubt it. And that's the problem. ChrisA