Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'lately': 0.07; 'subject:help': 0.08; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:command': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; 'wrote': 0.14; 'language.': 0.14; 'changes': 0.15; '"but': 0.16; 'expert,': 0.16; 'programmer,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:description': 0.16; 'unlikely': 0.16; "where's": 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'basis,': 0.24; 'software.': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'asking': 0.27; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'larry': 0.31; 'yesterday': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'front': 0.32; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'requirements': 0.37; 'expected': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'subject:needed': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'subject:" ': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'dave': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'show': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'great': 0.65; 'bridge': 0.65; 'civil': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'gathering': 0.68; '"it': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84; 'yard.': 0.84; 'angel': 0.91; 'imagine': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 02:52:42 +0000 References: <000001cff8e7$af51ef30$0df5cd90$@gmail.com> <000601cff8f4$7dc40220$794c0660$@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-204-224.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1415242380 news.xs4all.nl 2854 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45387 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:80304 On 06/11/2014 02:37, Dave Angel wrote: > Chris Angelico Wrote in message: >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Larry Martell wrote: >>>> And I don't think >>>> Larry was actually offended; it's just that some questions don't >>>> really have easy answers - imagine someone asking a great >>>> mathematician "But how do you KNOW that 2 + 2 is 4? Where's it written >>>> down?"... all he can say is "It is". >>> >>> Yeah, I'm on a lot of lists and lately I've seen a lot of 'I'm not a >>> programmer, but I want to write code and I need someone to tell me >>> how." Gets to you after a while. >> >> Too true. Those same people are unlikely to go to a gathering of civil >> engineers and say "I'm no expert, but I want to build a bridge and I >> need someone to tell me how", yet somehow it's expected to be possible >> with software. >> >> ChrisA >> > > Or I'm no expert but I need someone to show me how; build me one > here in my front yard. > Against a requirements specification that changes on a daily basis, I want it delivered yesterday and no you can't have any more resources to help out, so don't ask :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence