Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!87.79.20.101.MISMATCH!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!bcyclone04.am1.xlned.com!bcyclone04.am1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'anyway.': 0.05; 'intel': 0.07; 'intermediate': 0.07; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'binary.': 0.16; 'boost.': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'chip': 0.16; 'quantum': 0.16; 'simpson': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'asked': 0.31; 'subject:that': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'performance': 0.37; 'nov': 0.38; 'stopped': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'subject:can': 0.39; 'most': 0.60; 'lower': 0.61; 'reach': 0.63; 'levels': 0.65; 'subject:you': 0.87; 'subject:OFF': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=M+IES6939sJu+b/mSx44Tdqk26koo/48meQnQqg7xeI=; b=E+iT4Bge8zCBZDpa9t5LLm12ngE4st3k/uTUeMfNbt+BiVYiw7WNU8w+MyvOnfWEB4 cDpC7drCJ7+u5NhN2zbEs9kRAkB7ufLPoxFdZ3p3jROOuL+HEkm2A4S43lhdBw7XIJ68 bEe40rxteHJ6a6fh3UfQmbLiP2ceGv8qkUGJx8lKN7oh8egMDZkvgXnhYIMcLWJqb/mQ SY0++PInG0I+hlzbqYmyJpPFloCiBYhhrGQ2tCO4skv2X+Ds9pC0EzXSnsc2nDIZ6PA4 mzLtnf6pnUOnic2NiOa2wdv+gwH6PwRpE/ZHuhUe/FNCPEvfvFGtiBZ4crkrpcSzYIuX FCuA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.234.227 with SMTP id uh3mr646510lac.69.1415232265915; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:04:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141105063922.GA62888@cskk.homeip.net> References: <39ed3434-2d1c-4d74-b20d-db8b346f1c7d@googlegroups.com> <20141105063922.GA62888@cskk.homeip.net> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 16:04:25 -0800 Subject: Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code? From: Dan Stromberg To: Cameron Simpson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1415232275 news.xs4all.nl 2976 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49981 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Bytes: 3828 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2209022037 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:80298 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: > Bah! He asked if there were lower levels than binary. Ergo: chip design! > (And microcode, the intermediate layer. Or one of the layers, depending > where you draw the line.) Should we stop before we reach the quantum foam of > spacetime? Last I heard, Intel (and others?) had stopped using microcode, to get a performance boost. That means CPU's are not field-updatable in the event of a problem, but most people would just buy another computer anyway.