Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'else:': 0.03; 'explicit': 0.07; 'subject: -- ': 0.07; 'subject:bug': 0.07; 'indexes': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'suggest': 0.14; '"/"': 0.16; 'iteration,': 0.16; 'name):': 0.16; 'subject:?)': 0.16; 'index': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'yesterday': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'to:name:python-list': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; 'usual': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'yield': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'itself': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'show': 0.63; 'name': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'introduce': 0.78; "'for'": 0.84; 'compact,': 0.84; 'delegation': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=BphP8Rh5wGAq4BFj64QAOwJ+upGrNpbfloPff3Bp9sk=; b=zORLb+upFdWQ9Pe7H1x9sabgEE7Qb8XflaLxfzxn/dJq8krmkPCJeVH+VEijORgY6j 21UEm6k7lp669KaTMNCOG9z/8dOBPvNvqzDifs3kumjoSmAreXkaCNyD0YrIDe2XkzKn lbF0VE7KJ+BCRtjYBPTAnTZby7HG3bbjUyh8OUPgSwdQ7PH/AY3Z8DtpcWyMfZsMB/vW uUHE2kq+Fy3kCh1ea8+9M4wFluIgc06Z+wiAq+nXIum/UvjvRq0saqS8F8j737HXenVQ iCwMem3/hGmqoIN+aMG0NHlQQ8ghTSQtPdSAI1K4XdHvp3MFDJydEnxQAPz1FT57D/NM ODYQ== X-Received: by 10.112.137.39 with SMTP id qf7mr20316368lbb.47.1414689756885; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:22:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <94e3143a-c9ab-433d-8b3d-6ab296de14d9@googlegroups.com> References: <94e3143a-c9ab-433d-8b3d-6ab296de14d9@googlegroups.com> From: Joshua Landau Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:21:56 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vYEGh2kz2bLbCI6zWcSXwFwi--I Subject: Re: What for -- for? (was A bug?) To: python-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1414689765 news.xs4all.nl 2841 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50758 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:79961 On 29 October 2014 03:22, Rustom Mody wrote: > Yesterday I was trying to introduce python to some senior computer scientists. > > Tried showing a comprehension-based dir-walker vs a for-loop based one: > > def dw(p): > if isfile(p): > return [p] > else: > return [p] + [c for f in listdir(p) for c in dw(p+'/'+f)] > ... > > Comment to me : "Well this is neat and compact, but it does not add > anything fundamental (over usual index based for-loops)" > > I tried to say that 'for' over general sequences is quite different > and significantly more powerful than C/Pascal for over indexes + > explicit indexing. If you really want to show the generality of iteration, I suggest you start with iterators: def walk(path): yield path if isdir(path): for name in iterdir(path): for file in walk(path + "/" + name): yield file This is fundementally inexpressable with indexes. It also lends itself to expressing delegation (eg. "yield from walk(path + "/" + name)").