Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.036 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'guido': 0.05; 'agrees': 0.09; 'rossum': 0.09; 'subject:test': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; '"right"': 0.16; "'11": 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'haskell,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'drawing': 0.19; 'issue.': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'choices': 0.24; 'him.': 0.24; 'regardless': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'gets': 0.27; 'van': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'lines': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'wrong': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'black': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'discuss': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'different': 0.65; 'great': 0.65; 'advantages': 0.68; 'stated': 0.69; 'jul': 0.74; 'subject::': 0.85; 'to:none': 0.92; 'from.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:cc:content-type; bh=X6QjdGz7TY2ey5Yh3C0dEgiTp0gIpf9MPBSdIpH7eSE=; b=msLIzCTUqtoGci/oha2U9IFZi9SVecLthyWY7WuKtn8CVmTxW7AShCgZLOXBh/RutV 0SD3fVFRrzTuJTVeGeXjQvgcVFncu7BPXuR74HZ6HkRQr2iUJuTs7yefnq8GX8pJlAzv oqlxrK86bCb6XTDTmQbgAa0shKvPXdeDdaj4AMGQEgiv1cL0y5JLgqaQ1Y9o0fPacA4j FLaRzJCF7+hpoMRb2YWNuDLjAmQRRpCC0cdJuI7c11bRp5zEtV77DT7lfgA9+GGA33Ss 4wihq5jnNS3ucpd0u8Np00kDFVrO7RN/oTNNL6vMviEh+cpnK6Gn0Amv68QmEh3CZXLu 6AYQ== X-Received: by 10.152.19.133 with SMTP id f5mr5645755lae.87.1414377836926; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:43:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <85vbn61c15.fsf@benfinney.id.au> References: <54476af8$0$21651$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <7839376e-fc27-4299-ae63-4ddf17ef9a8a@googlegroups.com> <7d2ea3c1-504e-4f5c-8338-501b1483df38@googlegroups.com> <878uk6x5nd.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <544a1016$0$13000$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <544b2f15$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <544c3bde$0$12988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <85oasz3an3.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85vbn61c15.fsf@benfinney.id.au> From: Joshua Landau Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:43:16 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _yVG7q1k72UitJh9_sZQNnGLIh0 Subject: Re: (test) ? a:b Cc: python-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1414377839 news.xs4all.nl 2936 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39403 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!bete-des-vosges.org!feed.ac-versailles.fr!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:79749 On 27 October 2014 02:28, Ben Finney wrote: > Joshua Landau writes: > >> Guido van Rossum answered Jul 28 '11 at 21:20, >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3174392/is-it-pythonic-to-use-bools-as-ints >> > False==0 and True==1, and there's nothing wrong with that. > > Guido is incorrect. I've already stated what's wrong. You were arguing about what Guido thinks. I'm pretty sure Guido gets first say in that, regardless of whether anyone agrees with him. Regardless, I feel you're making this out as a black and white issue. Guido isn't incorrect, he just has a different opinion. Designing a language and calling things "wrong" or "right" gets you Haskell. You can discuss the advantages of each approach without drawing lines in the sand. Although if you do want a language like Haskell, there are a few great choices to chose from.