Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'value,': 0.04; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'binary': 0.07; 'odd': 0.07; '22,': 0.09; 'calculating': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'ast': 0.16; 'exponent.': 0.16; 'iterated': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'tried:': 0.16; 'accordingly.': 0.16; 'so.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'skip:1 30': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'integer': 0.24; 'skip:n 60': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'skip:( 40': 0.30; 'program,': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'clever': 0.31; 'explained': 0.31; 'something': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'here:': 0.62; 'more': 0.64; 'url:a': 0.72; 'potentially': 0.81; 'parity': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ned Batchelder Subject: Re: (-1)**1000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 11:01:28 -0400 References: <54476a77$0$21664$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <5447786d$0$12750$426a74cc@news.free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.189.53.17 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: <5447786d$0$12750$426a74cc@news.free.fr> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1413990100 news.xs4all.nl 2857 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47959 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:79445 On 10/22/14 5:27 AM, ast wrote: > > "Chris Angelico" a écrit dans le message de > news:mailman.15058.1413968065.18130.python-list@python.org... >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 7:27 PM, ast wrote: >>> If i am writing (-1)**1000 on a python program, will the >>> interpreter do (-1)*(-1)*...*(-1) or something clever ? >>> >>> In fact i have (-1)**N with N an integer potentially big. >> >> Exponentiation is far more efficient than the naive implementation of >> iterated multiplication. > > In the very particular case of (-1)**N, I belive that Python check > the odd or even parity of N and provides the result accordingly. > > I tried: >>>> (-1)**1000000000000000000000000000000000 > 1 >>>> (-1)**1000000000000000000000000000000001 > -1 > > and it is instantaneous > > Keep in mind that actually calculating the exponentiation wouldn't do 1000000000000000000000000000000000 multiplications anyway: the clever way to do integer powers is by squaring based on the binary representation of the exponent. It's explained here: http://stackoverflow.com/a/101613/14343 So even if Python is actually calculating the value, it's only doing 75 multiplications or so. -- Ned Batchelder, http://nedbatchelder.com