Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'third-party': 0.04; 'beginner': 0.05; 'subject:Question': 0.07; 'advice.': 0.09; 'beginners': 0.09; 'useless': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'windows': 0.15; 'easy_install': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'itself,': 0.16; 'sad': 0.16; 'sailing': 0.16; 'stuff.': 0.16; 'tweak': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'trying': 0.19; 'command': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; '"you': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; '>': 0.26; 'extension': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'record': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'correct': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'subject:About': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'position.': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'everyone.': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'similar': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'skip:& 10': 0.38; 'problems': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'needed': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'support,': 0.39; 'users': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'problems.': 0.60; 'more': 0.64; 'land': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'believe': 0.68; 'yes': 0.68; 'inevitable': 0.84; 'route': 0.84; 'subject:Quick': 0.84; 'timestamps,': 0.84; 'witness': 0.84; 'package"': 0.91; 'subject:Setting': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ca8h6eCMXAlC+4i/tFaEvm3NKrlZGnIIQr1WaQV2piM=; b=v3Rg3tKdd/yWh0w8gvkHF/LkLu6guqJUaRh1/yjPPK+l7+oyxgddGwrnS8IAm3Lp4X MhSXxmP13pIspCBrn9AR3vG3J75J2RasyjZ+QZprqoe0HhBWG/8c/G/cXP1IjM3Oz3cI rrS/Iyk7QpggeSNXSuKM0NUuywbQt8E8jDtVEYAUuqTbGI3I/gYbuYBrxL6rNydc+jbq 8OLWJSqQKQC+bJ713z1xwbJSwCj2STuPSHxnTMaXtKBGTJdfKxZQpsGamZ6LVwkBkz1C rx544GVW37tA2o1e0beFDSXY20/pK9yAsolE/pa6hcJZwEEs4dz/3UHM7+BbHjS162Ud aaEA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.29.131 with SMTP id k3mr11708885vdh.2.1413749921685; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:18:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1d9290de-e6a0-4591-9163-eab19771a68c@googlegroups.com> References: <1d9290de-e6a0-4591-9163-eab19771a68c@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:18:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Quick Question About Setting Up Pytz From: Ryan Shuell To: Rustom Mody Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307761b3e227930505cc4dd0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:22:32 +0200 Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 115 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1413789753 news.xs4all.nl 2887 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:79307 --20cf307761b3e227930505cc4dd0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Ok, thanks everyone. I just need to spend more time with this stuff. It's definitely slow going. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:25:53 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > > Chris Angelico writes: > > > > Try learning Python itself, rather than playing around with extension > > > packages like pytz. > > > To be fair, "You need to install 'pytz' to work correctly with date and > > time values" is correct advice. If the OP doesn't install it early, then > > works with timestamps, problems are inevitable -- at which point "oh, you > > needed to do that first" will be inevitable. It's lose-lose. > > Yes > > > It's a sad fact that MS Windows has completely useless timezone support, > > and this "install a third-party package" hurdle is a cost that is paid > > by all people trying to set up Python on MS Windows. > > About MS-lacunae Ive nothing to say > > [Just head over to a debian list like users or vote or.. and witness the > riot going on over systemd... Hard to believe all's right in Linux-land] > > As for this OP and similar problems -- yes python is in a peculiar > position. > Because of 'batteries included' beginners can do powerful stuff. > However sometimes the batteries need to be supplemented. > And then there's a problem -- its not clear whether > - the beginner is having classic noob problems. > Expert just needs to tweak a command a bit and he's sailing > - the beginner is in somewhat uncharted (research-needed) land -- charting > the route between mutually complementary AND competing setup tools > > I believe python must be some sort of record setter in this that > o pip is a replacement for easy_install > o you install pip with easy_install > > !! > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > --20cf307761b3e227930505cc4dd0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, thanks everyone.=C2=A0 I just need to spend more time = with this stuff.=C2=A0 It's definitely slow going.=C2=A0

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 = at 11:16 PM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:25:53 AM UT= C+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:

> > Try learning Python itself, rather than playing around with exten= sion
> > packages like pytz.

> To be fair, "You need to install 'pyt= z' to work correctly with date and
> time values" is correct advice. If the OP doesn't install it = early, then
> works with timestamps, problems are inevitable -- at which poin= t "oh, you
> needed to do that first" will be inevitable. It's lose-lose.<= br>
Yes

> It's a sad fact that MS Windows has completely useless timezone su= pport,
> and this "install a third-party package" hurdle is a cost th= at is paid
> by all people trying to set up Python on MS Windows.

About MS-lacunae Ive nothing to say

[Just head over to a debian list like users or vote or.. and witness the riot going on over systemd... Hard to believe all's right in Linux-land= ]

As for this OP and similar problems -- yes python is in a peculiar position= .
Because of 'batteries included' beginners can do powerful stuff. However sometimes the batteries need to be supplemented.
And then there's a problem -- its not clear whether
- the beginner is having classic noob problems.
=C2=A0 Expert just needs to tweak a command a bit and he's sailing
- the beginner is in somewhat uncharted (research-needed) land -- charting<= br> =C2=A0 the route between mutually complementary AND competing setup tools
=C2=A0 I believe python must be some sort of record setter in this that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o pip is a replacement for easy_install
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o you install pip with easy_install

!!
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