Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'third-party': 0.04; 'subject:Question': 0.07; '2004': 0.09; 'advice.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'useless': 0.09; '\xe2\x80\x94': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'windows': 0.15; 'finney': 0.16; 'itself,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'sad': 0.16; 'trying': 0.19; 'install': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'extension': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'correct': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'subject:About': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'problems': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'needed': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'support,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'more': 0.64; 'inevitable': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'subject:Quick': 0.84; 'timestamps,': 0.84; 'sacred': 0.91; 'subject:Setting': 0.96 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Quick Question About Setting Up Pytz Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:54:10 +1100 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tO38Z/EeySmSCUyizG13IHDOxRs= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1413687307 news.xs4all.nl 2839 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38352 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:79288 Chris Angelico writes: > Try learning Python itself, rather than playing around with extension > packages like pytz. To be fair, “You need to install ‘pytz’ to work correctly with date and time values” is correct advice. If the OP doesn't install it early, then works with timestamps, problems are inevitable — at which point “oh, you needed to do that first” will be inevitable. It's lose–lose. It's a sad fact that MS Windows has completely useless timezone support, and this “install a third-party package” hurdle is a cost that is paid by all people trying to set up Python on MS Windows. -- \ “Nothing is more sacred than the facts.” —Sam Harris, _The End | `\ of Faith_, 2004 | _o__) | Ben Finney