Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.013 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'mrab': 0.05; 'bash': 0.09; 'correct,': 0.09; 'subject:trying': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'windows': 0.15; '"running': 0.16; 'bash,': 0.16; 'emulator': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'macs': 0.16; 'subject:python3': 0.16; 'version).': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'shell': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'gives': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'usually': 0.31; '(usually': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'linux': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'subject: (': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'reality': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'easily': 0.37; 'same.': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'skip:x 10': 0.40; 'black': 0.61; 'strictly': 0.61; 'different': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'url:%1': 0.72; 'shell,': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=MT0bnbBbNitLp9zLHQBwOx2UAwL6Sp10+O34KMJcZw8=; b=SToO8F+T823JHD2nnrP3CRTXaATfz5YBMzWxRfcfV+zRi1Fp8NCyxrgPVThTK/0wFJ 9yaTzEmL4+PYWBpbtI8ZzS/hl6OJE74HWf4GKgkpiTG0aUmI+KA2eILJjFceiI5EhNb3 /mAWH8oLiZyFWZifpYv4mInvgy/hHNAGKB8K7F5FoaY7nVqXscKL41WnRJnQy9ST86v4 QAe3FuZ6ZwODH+NFWn7tkoqxkmpeoht8aFFwdwGf7W3AZ/Np13OCR5t1UdA1IUjR1WYv oo6JrS3jYXJA1+TkzC63RGXumxFPFSPusghTROGbiJs7A0pwtPoQGHpTwreP8ZJbd2vD 9Few== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.61.137 with SMTP id p9mr5266956igr.34.1413473014621; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:23:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <543FD07B.3050204@mrabarnett.plus.com> References: <86ae9246-1b3f-427b-921f-10b8b416e507@googlegroups.com> <543FD07B.3050204@mrabarnett.plus.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 02:23:34 +1100 Subject: Re: python3 on mac-mavericks (was trying idle) From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1413473023 news.xs4all.nl 2910 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55525 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:79217 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:04 AM, MRAB wrote: > In Macland it's called the terminal emulator: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_%28OS_X%29 To be strictly correct, the "shell" would be the thing you run that gives you a prompt, and the "terminal emulator" would be the thing you run that gives you a black box on your GUI. On my Linux box here (Debian Wheezy with Xfce), I use xfce4-terminal as my terminal emulator, and bash as my shell. You could alternatively use gnome-terminal, or you could use csh for your shell, or whatever strikes your fancy. Macs are no different here; they have a terminal emulator (which is usually just called "Terminal" aiui), and a shell (usually bash, though not quite the bash I know from my systems - maybe a different version). It's Windows that is the oddball. You can't easily find the terminal emulator, though it does have one. People think of "running cmd.exe" to get a "shell", which in reality is both a terminal and a shell inside that terminal. But ultimately, it's still the same. ChrisA