Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.python,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless,alt.comp.os.windows-10 Subject: Re: Apple changed their documentation at my request but it proves they don't care about privacy Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2026 20:46:45 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <117cmbk$1e7a$3@dont-email.me> References: <117b5u0$1q77$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <117b9uu$3glj7$1@dont-email.me> <117c8t3$ifv$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2026 20:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="47338"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/63vmsux8Tc8/rkCarIt5/"; posting-host="da4a6d6cb327a66035926d171c0ae638" User-Agent: Pan/0.165 (Kostiantynivka) Cancel-Lock: sha1:GpuJKXsWvnj0EE2wNMQow6/7ZAA= sha256:jd5ZqJNDEUFtpbGGp8o+SwJDUGRBhBbWRAW1VcSg7n0= sha1:/N+bJaGzbSnkppLa7hUG69oSMcU= sha256:nqJ5meKzVn4jJ3d1Sbf9Er6ZC3fB0TaCeTIQqUfKtjE= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:197905 misc.phone.mobile.iphone:202062 comp.mobile.android:155606 alt.internet.wireless:18932 alt.comp.os.windows-10:195499 On Fri, 4 Sep 2026 02:27:07 +0930, Maria Sophia wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 16:30:15 +0930, Maria Sophia wrote: >>> >>> Those scripts proved I could collect a list of every single access >>> point in Apple's database, just as researchers Eric Rye and Dave >>> Levin did, using a simple perl script which proved the results of >>> their paper, and which went further to prove that my own >>> hidden-broadcast SSIDs were in that database. >> >> I don't understand what you're complaining about, exactly. Your >> wi-fi network broadcasts its existence to all and sundry, and yet >> you feel upset when somebody collects that information and passes >> it on. >> >> And hiding SSIDs is a complete waste of time, which gains you nothing >> in security or privacy. Don't do it. > > The problem is most people who are NOT Wi-Fi pros, are stuck in the > stone age when it comes to thinking about what a hidden broadcast > actually does. That’s their problem, though. Trying to offer some kind of sop to their ignorance is not actually making them safer. > This is about privacy. > Not security. This is about the *perception* of privacy. Like telling people they don’t have to worry about closing their curtains, they just need to close their eyes -- if they can’t see the people outside looking in, then those looking in can’t see them! > The entire reason for a hidden SSID is privacy. If the SSID is > hidden, it tells everyone you want to be private “Tells everyone” ... privacy is supposed to be something where you don’t “tell everyone”!