Path: csiph.com!news.nrbbs.org!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2026 03:35:39 +0000 From: steve g Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Resources to learn common lisp? References: <874inbqdz7.fsf@mariorosell.es> <110j4qk$2q1p4$1@dont-email.me> <110l0v9$3av52$1@dont-email.me> <110nf0q$3vra6$3@dont-email.me> <87y0gg62cx.fsf@nightsong.com> <110rfqf$142ot$1@dont-email.me> <111ne5o$vsm3$3@dont-email.me> <111pbk6$36pi7$1@dont-email.me> <111sb7u$3ua8h$7@dont-email.me> <111t73h$6a1k$1@dont-email.me> <1126vrf$31p54$4@dont-email.me> <87wludtv85.fsf@gmail.com> <114e3qf$18m2n$12@dont-email.me> <877bm5ux0t.fsf@gmail.com> <1150bqc$3blde$8@dont-email.me> <87zeyuvru2.fsf@gmail.com> <115bam0$2p9mf$3@dont-email.me> <27258.63260.542826.672225@parhasard.net> <87a4qsolqc.fsf@0x1c1.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2026 23:35:39 -0400 Message-ID: <87zeysroxg.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:oX9iKBv62eanlT2/ENchK1LBh2A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 59 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-pd9jNaknoAyLPSx/nOJ/p5PHGTSDENTLhW613aXFfh2ATJ/ahbMORMwB8Ldz5wN0TmnsLzx456OQk8m!PEQbMhnWdrN0K+1mYFsjDsQos3XXYH6++L22ygu0fCLTQ94= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.lisp:61400 Anton Antimo writes: > Aidan Kehoe writes: > >> Ar an deichiú lá de mí Lúnasa, scríobh Lawrence D’Oliveiro: >> >> > On Sun, 09 Aug 2026 18:42:29 -0400, steve g wrote: >> > >> > > [...] GC is for user space, not kernel space. Kernel developers are >> > > usually very good programmers. >> > >> > Do different laws of physics apply in kernel space or something? >> > And/or is that an admission that garbage collection is not for “very >> > good programmers”? >> >> Let me digress for a moment: >> >> Within medicine, my day job, [...] > > Very cool that we have people from areas such as medicine here. (In > reality, there's no academic discipline called programming---people in > Computer Science are more often than not not programmers at all.) > Medicine, in particular, is an unexpected one. Can you share a bit more > about your history as in how did you get interested in medicine and > computers (and Lisp specially)? That'd be cool to hear. (Assuming a > little social chat is acceptable here given the current low volume.) Yes, yes; I want to hear more from the doc! >> This would require essentially assembler written with the quality of >> the Apollo code, without an operating system. (I’m sure everyone >> reading this accepts that good assembler, if it has no bugs, is going >> to make better use of the hardware than their language of choice.) > > Perfectly reasonable. > >> The trade-off is that the resulting software is slower than the above >> ideal, and, e.g. that my Windows install decides that it is going to >> update whether I like it or not and the Cygwin terminal that I had >> open, in the middle of debugging something, with a command history >> that I would ideally like to have kept, evaporates. > > Isn't that irritating? Windows is a system that's really not very > respectful at all with what the user is doing---lots of interruptions > such as alerts by Windows Defender and whatnot. Many other programmers > on Windows follow suit, so it's not Microsoft's fault completely. And > that might be the same thing in the usual GNU system these days. For > window management, I run CWM, which is one that really only lets > anything happen that the user has actively made it happen. > And speaking of Medicine, how is it disrespectful these days as well, > but I won't digress on this (and it's perhaps just something that > plagues the entirety of society). The same way programming is, some people are more talented and more motivated to be the best person they can. Some people just don't give a shit - they have what we call an external locust of controll. They care about perception that science.