Path: csiph.com!news.nrbbs.org!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2026 01:10:54 +0000 From: steve g Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Resources to learn common lisp? References: <874inbqdz7.fsf@mariorosell.es> <111pbk6$36pi7$1@dont-email.me> <87qzlqgiyx.fsf@gmail.com> <878q7y10kh.fsf@nightsong.com> <111t1lb$4bes$1@dont-email.me> <87v7b1zsty.fsf@nightsong.com> <111t8dn$6k5d$1@dont-email.me> <87qzlpythv.fsf@nightsong.com> <111urdf$ltvk$3@dont-email.me> <87echozwvv.fsf@nightsong.com> <112a03r$3scqc$3@dont-email.me> <87fr11tucv.fsf@gmail.com> <114e3km$18m2n$10@dont-email.me> <87fr0yqyys.fsf@gmail.com> <114jvtl$3bdac$1@dont-email.me> <87tsp9tha2.fsf@gmail.com> <114u8kp$2l3pd$1@dont-email.me> <87wlu55kj7.fsf@gmail.com> <114uoss$2p426$5@dont-email.me> <87qzka96hl.fsf@gmail.com> <115bah4$2p9mf$2@dont-email.me> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2026 21:10:47 -0400 Message-ID: <87ldada2co.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:1KS59niyqmCni8Grp9kai6b8TCQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 64 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-pYHSjUp3dvLVKuwynFxNW+Ge1DvLd7Jwl33uXr9Gq4P5s4NorhId6ImIn6ZZdAqHnT7er3tzBvjRnQM!Y68XBqWDaNnQjTDlVYmUdWfEiJn5aLtF0E3H9vpziPRG3gY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.lisp:61372 Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes: > On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 19:25:26 -0400, steve g wrote: > >> The question I have is "what argument"? > > Since you mentioned Microsoft’s Singularity, let’s look in a bit > more detail at it, shall we? > > It was some kind of OS “research project”. “Let’s build yet another > microkernel”, they thought. As if that wasn’t a bad enough idea, they > also thought “let’s include garbage collection in the kernel”. Perhaps > two sufficiently bad ideas, mashed together sufficiently thoroughly, > will add up to something good? Any programmer that puts anivirus software on a dedicated database server is weird. > So what came out of that research project? Nothing, that I can see. It > was abandoned, and then disappeared without leaving any trace on the > world of computer science. how much money did they burn through for their "talking paper clip AI" that was introduced to in the 90s that destroyed the then excellent microsoft help system? > Can you find some published papers on it? > Do they say anything more than “this is not something that should be > tried again”? I wish... From what I understand they are hiring not so great programmers, and I would love to hear the boards direction... Luckily I only have stock in Microsoft on the India exchange (NO! I am just kidding. I do not own stock). They do have a new news channel on the TV, it is called MSNOW. I am sure this channel will scare us into more of their safety concepts :) I can go on and on about this. Microsoft pioneered the concept that software should be bought only if it is broken. What ever happened to SEARS? visio, visual basic v6, msstudio 2005, mp3, dvd, microsoft publisher; just to name a few. I got really pissed off when fontographer was not permitted to run. They kept a black list of programs that they could sink. dunno how they make money... > Because if you go to the website, the link to the downloadable > software disappears off into the ether. just like microsofts help system. > Feel free to prove me wrong. But somehow I don’t think you would know > where to start. Yes, microsoft makes lots of money by scaring people into thinking that microsoft can fix the problem (the problem that they create of course). > Of course, you could always regurgitate some AI slop, if you think it > will help ... I already brought up the damn talking paper clip help system from the 90s :)