Path: csiph.com!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Arno Welzel Newsgroups: comp.lang.javascript Subject: Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 18:25:51 +0200 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <7718d23d-f8a2-4b43-9cde-f9babbc146cbn@googlegroups.com> <31bddb0c-c2d4-4fc9-b148-1d0acbbe3ac0n@googlegroups.com> <9741589a-f0f5-423d-9acf-8d7707e03470n@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net H/VoanPKsbrQ6EgTTtayrw9eAegBZp4OLFwXMMiJMkEdl3MEmE Cancel-Lock: sha1:C9VEMmTllMNaiHSu5DdKmOr42tQ= In-Reply-To: <9741589a-f0f5-423d-9acf-8d7707e03470n@googlegroups.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.javascript:40212 Michael Haufe (TNO): > On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-5, Jon Ribbens wrote: >> [...] >> Those articles seem deeply confused, especially the first, which says: >> >> This might be because typography is so deeply rooted in the >> centuries-old history of typesetting. The concept of having “fluid” >> anything is often at odds with this tradition. In print, dimensions >> have always been fixed, but they don’t need to be on the web. That’s >> why I think fluid typography is a perfect match for the web. It’s a >> different approach for a completely different medium. >> >> Using 'viewport width' for the font size *isn't* fluid, it's the >> exact opposite. It's paper-based thinking in a paperless world. >> It means the content doesn't format itself appropriately for the >> page, it just shrinks and expands like a photocopier on 'enlarge' >> mode. > > Given that the common practice is to use breakpoints, are those not the web equivalent of paper based thinking? No. Breakpoints are usally only based on the *widht* of a viewport and used to decide wether there is enough room for two or more columns. For the mobile version one would only display one column since a viewport which is only 40em wide may not provide enough room for content *and* a side bar. On the other hand a desktop viewport with 60em or more there provides enough space for a 40em wide content area and a 20em wide sidebar. But in both cases I would never try to connect the font size to the viewport width or height. I don't want to get text on a mobile device way smaller just because the viewport is smaller. Also I want to see *more* text on a desktop and not *bigger* text. Good responsive layout will use a *different* layout which fits the smaller viewport and not just scale everything to become smaller. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de