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From: Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
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Subject: Re: [OT] Netiquette
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On 10.01.20 16:01, Julio Di Egidio wrote:

> On Friday, 10 January 2020 11:26:38 UTC+1, Arno Welzel  wrote:
>> On 09.01.20 12:59, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 9 January 2020 12:18:52 UTC+1, jeremy  wrote:
>>>> In article <c22e1ftbrl52qmbsrg2jpbjrf079ln5du0@4ax.com>, 
>>>> niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid says...
>>>
>>> Still messing up with quotes and attributions?
>>>
>>>>>> But I said why, on Usenet, it is expected.  Do anonymous posting where it is
>>>>>> appropriate, not here.
>>>>>   <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Who said anything about "anonymous" posting? I certainly didn't.
>>>>> Please pay attention in future.
>>>>>
>>>> In my experience, real names are not "expected" on usenet - certainly i've
>>>> never been pulled up for it in any other groups
>>>
>>> I was talking Usenet etiquette, which is a fact, and you simply keep
>>> making stuff up.
>>
>> See: <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855>
> 
> That is not *Usenet* etiquette (I don't even know where the original Usenet
> FAQ is, probably lost under 20+ years of bullshit as everything else that
> counts), that is generic netiquette, but indeed you can see enough hints in
> there already!


<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855>

3.2.3. NetNews

    - Publicize the nature of the feed you receive.  If you do not get
      a full feed, people may want to know why not.

    - Be aware that the multiplicity of News Reader clients may cause
      the News Server being blamed for problems in the clients.

    - Honor requests from users immediately if they request cancellation
      of their own posts or invalid posts, such as chain letters.

    - Have "Usenet", "Netnews" and "News" aliased and make sure someone
      reads the mail.

> Usenet wants real identities because it is an unmoderated, "democratic"
> means where each and every single person has to take responsibility or it
> just won't work.  As well as it requires not feeding nut cases, and not
> feeding the trolls...  And the demise of Usenet, which is indeed first

"Taking responsibility" has nothing to do with real names. It's just
easier to filter people only use their real name. But if they don't
behave properly, it makes no difference if they use their real name or not.

One can also behave properly when using a pseudonym and for groups which
are about sexuality etc. pseudonyms are "officially" allowed, at least
for de.*: <https://www.kirchwitz.de/~amk/dni/netiquette>.

> and foremost the demise of Usenet etiquette, indeed mainly coincides with
> the advent of Google Groups, and it's a matter of some 15 years max (I
> said 5 years earlier, that was a momentary lapse of reason, sometimes I
> forget how long I have been "in computers").

Google Groups has nothing to do with this as it started in 2001 and not
1997.



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Arno Welzel
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