Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Newsgroups: comp.lang.javascript Subject: Re: "i = i|0" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:44:31 +0200 Organization: PointedEars Software (PES) Lines: 55 Message-ID: <6313231.fAD6b3vBKi@PointedEars.de> References: <44f393c9-8b85-4da8-8618-6b11dd3954b2@googlegroups.com> <5398CC30.9020706@verizon.net> <2078529.Slc7CH7YZo@PointedEars.de> <2122350.lP4zVSTnZj@PointedEars.de> <5399bcdc.21305859@news.xs4all.nl> <1949488.inRLtfabsd@PointedEars.de> <5399f832$0$6617$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <20140612120902.543@kylheku.com> <539a09ca$0$6613$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <20140612140350.465@kylheku.com> <29227976.uW9OU7D0z7@PointedEars.de> <539ee8e1.7384656@news.xs4all.nl> Reply-To: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Trace: solani.org 1402951474 3638 eJwNxsEBwCAIA8CVoJAI4yjI/iPYex2MylpO0DGYg/Kg/Ne8k22tGlqCQJOpX1Yv2by2K+7hAw/DEN4= (16 Jun 2014 20:44:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.solani.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:44:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: KNode/4.12.4 X-User-ID: eJwVycERwDAIA7CVEsCGjkPjsP8IveorODdPBsHAYOjU7okR7KYOsue/ZKwIr1BDTlgJactp9p5VIjs19/kAQUIU5A== Face: 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 X-Face: %i>XG-yXR'\"2P/C_aO%~;2o~?g0pPKmbOw^=NT`tprDEf++D.m7"}HW6.#=U:?2GGctkL,f89@H46O$ASoW&?s}.k+&. Troll... a word you seem to know well. Only too well. After 14 years of participating in Usenet, I have had to be exposed to several such destructive individuals. Many have come and gone. After a while, one develops a sixth sense for them, and filters them out of one’s life in advance (for example, obvious address munging, excessive crosspost, and postings originating from news servers where people do not have to register). That sense is also alerting me in your case, which is why your provocations will not be successful. So if that is the only thing you are looking for here, you can just silently go away as well. There is no offense where none is taken. If instead you want to learn, you would be well-advised to adjust your behavior before more of the knowledgable people adjust their scorefiles/killfiles against you. > If one good thing has come from this thread, it is that I am now even > more grateful that in the browsers I use, I can and by default do turn > JavaScript _off_. Of course you can turn client-side script *support* off (it would not have to be *JavaScript* support, BTW). This is a newsgroup. Is that supposed to be news from you? But since you need scripting for the client-side DOM, I think that these days it will be a pretty dull Web experience without that support, even though you can do many things with plain CSS now that you could only do with scripting a few year ago, and in my opinion a Web site basically must work even without that support. For example, think about the considerable increase in user experience that XHR (misnamed ”AJAX”) is bringing, allowing to load content without loading a whole document. Try and see. As an interesting fact, what you turn off then is only the client-side script support for Web sites. Several Web browsers where you can turn off client-side scripting are based on client-side ECMAScript-based scripting, for example Firefox and Chrome/Chromium (both core code and useful extensions). Web sites use technologies like node.js, server-side ECMAScript-based scripting (node.js using Google V8 JavaScript). JSON has become the preferred data interchange format. mongoDB is a popular NoSQL database that relies on an ECMAScript implementation for queries and on JSON for storage. And so on. So it is not only illogical of you to turn off scripting by default in order to hurt (someone in) the scripting community (as in most cases you are hurting yourself instead), it is actually pointless. -- PointedEars FAQ: | SVN: Twitter: @PointedEars2 | ES Matrix: Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.