Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool2.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Message-ID: <6179273.WV9SEqChMi@PointedEars.de> From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Reply-To: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Organization: PointedEars Software (PES) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:02:29 +0200 User-Agent: KNode/4.4.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Subject: Re: Finding the V offset of an element Newsgroups: comp.lang.javascript References: <1398495.AFRqVoOGUt@PointedEars.de> <6fcb6b7c-f832-44f4-8aaa-e1bd27f6d188@12g2000vba.googlegroups.com> Followup-To: comp.lang.javascript MIME-Version: 1.0 Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Date: 05 Apr 2012 14:02:29 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 173eec0c.newsspool3.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=5fgg?@V Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Richard Cornford wrote: > >>> Array.prototype.indexOf - is not built-in prior to ES5 but - >>> String.prototype.indexOf - has been around for longer than I >>> have been using javascript, [...] >> >> There is no "javascript", there are ECMAScript implementations. > > > | esoteric: > | > | Adjective: > | Intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number > | of people with a specialized knowledge or interest. > | > | Synonyms: > | occult - private - mystic > > Adopting terminology that is likely to give any novice/newcomer the > impression that you are talking about something else entirely is not a > rational approach towards promoting a wider understanding of the > subject. On the contrary, using umbrella terms just because they are "common" is likely to give any novice/newcomer the false impression that they already know what they are doing. Many bad web resources and books about the subject, and many postings in this newsgroup which in its FAQ promotes that "javascript" misnomer, are evidence of that. PointedEars -- Danny Goodman's books are out of date and teach practices that are positively harmful for cross-browser scripting. -- Richard Cornford, cljs, (2004)