Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool4.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID: <10627650.OCROtDH134@PointedEars.de> From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Reply-To: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Organization: PointedEars Software (PES) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:53:53 +0100 User-Agent: KNode/4.8.5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Face: %i>XG-yXR'\"2P/C_aO%~;2o~?g0pPKmbOw^=NT`tprDEf++D.m7"}HW6.#=U:?2GGctkL,f89@H46O$ASoW&?s}.k+&. <1388733.rf3QE0b1RE@PointedEars.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jan 2013 00:53:58 CET NNTP-Posting-Host: 3e6b0ae0.newsspool4.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=c\Ac_Leg?R^[7Non7UCi8U4IUK Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote on 28 jan 2013 in comp.lang.javascript: >> It is not exactly news around here that it is only *safe* > > That something is not news is not an argument of fact per se. It was not meant to be. Just a reminder that and why this “dicussion” actually is pointless. >> to access an element object for an element in the document when that >> document has been loaded; that is, all its elements have been parsed. > > Element-object van easily be called "elements", when they are part of the > document. > > Otherwise you should not say "document", but "document-object". > > Elements are not parsed, Utter nonsense, all of the above. One ought to use different terms for things that are different, and the same terms for things that are the same. There is an inherent difference between what constitutes an element and what constitutes an element object, and there is a difference between what constitutes a document and a document object. So those two terms are _not_ interchangeable in any *reasonable* discussion. > the source-code is parsed and the used browser-engine then constructs > element[-object]s as it seems fit, depending on the engine and on the > constraints of the interface (monitor, sound, etc) [size, touchability, > colours, smartphone, blind-aid touch display, etc] “browser-engine” is not an adequate term. And constructed are element objects, not “element[-objects]”. As for the rest, tell me something I do not know yet. > Also, Thomas, there can also be elements that start existing minutes after > the loading has ended, mostly as a result of a user or time-out initiated > event. You have not a shadow of a bit of a clue what you are talking about; you are just parroting what you have heard. Probably someone has told you this before. Unsurprisingly, none of what you said refutes any of my arguments. Either because you have not even read or understood what I said; or you have, but, trolling, you refuse to accept (the truth of) it. There is no advantage in continuing from here, so unless you provide at least *some* substance, it is EOD for me. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.