Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:14:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:14:55 +0100 From: lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> Organization: Trollbusters 3 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: About java program. References: <324f929f-772e-4004-81e1-6b454cdae794@googlegroups.com> <19wnriq53qxel.u9rt8wy6z52g.dlg@40tude.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 65 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-wiLqm+l6NL4nU+p5KdOKlnmgypaJlxUwhxg8RKPrpz8FZaiZzTZwHLA6ngGvHSvaeDwypgiAVzUIS3X!bI4Jz3fSs/AQtoV76NbojicSUEVA6fkFMyx8fyPjA0SJlDERQF9vWLFrNaqPwRtLQBtUobBWZRM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5059 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:24523 On 24/06/13 17:57, Daniele Futtorovic wrote: > On 23/06/2013 10:21, lipska the kat allegedly wrote: >> On 23/06/13 02:53, Daniele Futtorovic wrote: >>> On 22/06/2013 20:41, lipska the kat allegedly wrote: >>>> On 22/06/13 18:25, Daniele Futtorovic wrote: >>>>> The aforementioned is mitigated in code that is internal to a >>>>> component (in the spirit of encapsulation, code ought to be divided >>>>> into components such that the density of interrelation of code >>>>> within a component is always strictly greater than that of >>>>> interrelation of code in different components). >>>> >>>> You mean it should be cohesive (the code in a component), still, why >>>> use one word when fifty will do. >>>> >>>> as you say. >>>> >>>> "verbosity is but a pathetic front to mask either their lack of >>>> professionalism" [sic] >>> >>> No, I did not simply say it should be cohesive. If you want to >>> substitute "cohesiveness" for "density of interrelation" (which is fair >>> enough), I said it should be more cohesive within the component than >>> between components, and that this is what characterises something as >>> being a component. Not the same thing. >> >>> But still, assuming it were the same thing for a moment (which, again, >>> it is not by a wide stretch), do you really think that completely >>> twisting my words, under the guise of quoting me, to proceed to >>> advocate, for a natural and hence inexact language, a practice which you >>> rebuke me for advocating for a computer and hence exact language is >>> going to induce me to take you seriously? >> >> What is this obsession that people on this group seem to have with being >> taken seriously? I couldn't care less if you 'take me seriously' I have >> nothing to prove to you or anyone else so please don't waste any more >> time on 'taking me seriously'. When you come out with complete bollocks >> like ... >> >> "verbosity is but a pathetic front to mask either their lack of >> professionalism" [sic] >> >> Then expect me to react. It's nothing personal fercrissakes. > > To conclude this discussion (as I am not inclined to debate with someone > I can't take seriously), let me point out once more that that quote is > the product of your very imagination; for by omitting the quotes around > the word "verbosity" and by omitting the context from what I originally > wrote, you have entirely distorted the original meaning of what I wrote, > to wit, that to someone who argues they should leave out essential > functionality out of their code because that essential functionality > would make their code too verbose, "verbose" (that is, the argument of > verbosity) is but a front to mask their lack of professionalism, and not > what verbosity is actually about. You'd have to read that to which I was > responding, viz. Arved's posting, to understand why I was making that > distinction. I see, well thank you for clearing that up ... I'm also delighted to hear that you don't take me seriously. It means we concur in our opinion of each other. lipska -- Lipska the KatŠ: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun