Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Jigsaw: RedHat and IBM say no Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:39:16 +0200 Organization: albasani.net Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <59079419$0$24666$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl> <5907a5ef$0$24695$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl> <5908e12b$0$20463$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl> <5908efdf$0$20484$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl> <21ebb136-a9b3-45d0-a8d2-36f4cc89b991@googlegroups.com> <59138555$0$24634$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.albasani.net f72oiLK2ZCwU1U2AZCMqfFrCImsR7fTG5Bn5XSMOQCGFSOA/KQkPueFH5zePd7EzaQv7P7zEdmIUDfLHJ3l77BJNwJMK1a5F8ZcS5GRgv+oxkayaCxapzYRG2aX5R4Bh NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 20:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="QFOBunc9pzhK4zpHYww/AsOAvpop84mqUfvQBgNhNxmdwiDX0t2bEYwgKgwwqX2iGpnSvgxnqesDCWqlBOVSzvUeh/Hq6AJpV18Apivl2yD3yoohmmYt1KtdmlSWyNUU"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:SQ5z3VVpalN35XdQ0e0bml0crN0= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:36635 Am 16.05.2017 um 01:27 schrieb Arne Vajhøj: > On 5/14/2017 8:44 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> And I also think that Oracle has done a lot of things to facilitate >> migration: >> * the module system has been underway for many many years so people >> have had long time to check their stuff >> * early access version of Java 9 with module system has been out for >> quite some time allowing people to test >> * they added a special solution for the much discussed >> problem sun.misc.Unsafe by exporting it from the >> module jdk.unsupported >> * they added a command line option to the JVM >> --add-opens/--add-exports to workaround problems > > Note though that JSR 376 (module system) public review > was rejected by JCP EC. > > 13 NO votes (IBM, Redhat, Eclipse etc.) > 10 YES votes (Oracle, Azul etc.) > > But it may not be dead yet as the comments from some of the > NO voters sort of points towards a resolution. > [comments snipped] The comments by the nay-sayers broadly address the following topics: • module isolation and dynamic modules • cyclic dependencies • reflection • automatic modules • consensus in the EG The time period for a revised spec is just too short to do anything about the first point. Oracle will not (and should not, in my opinion) change its stance with respect to the second and third point. Regarding automatic modules, in addition to what has been mentioned there is now also the possibility to specify in the module name in the Manifest. Consensus there will be not, because no one is going to convince Red Hat (and probably also not IBM). So the remaining nay-sayers will have to consider whether their objections justify basically killing off Java 9. My guess is most will find that upholding the No vote would be too detrimental to the Java ecosystem as a whole, and that consequently the JSR will get bthe required two-thirds majority at the final vote without seeing much change. -- Sebastian PS: Rafael Winterhalter's opinion piece is very instructive in highlighting the issues at stake: http://mydailyjava.blogspot.de/2017/05/yet-another-jigsaw-opinion-piece.html Rafael Winterhalter ends with a plea to the EC to vote yes, saying that "Oracle has found a common denominator for a module system that serves most users."