Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric Sosman Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: [OT] Re: missing import java.lang.Comparable Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 08:25:25 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <11952827-9dd1-48e7-b835-722a38023ce5@googlegroups.com> <00835840-56aa-4ba2-b496-e364a62a38e8@googlegroups.com> <8668311a-503f-46b6-909c-dcbfbfc5ce19@googlegroups.com> <128e7e20-d311-413d-abbc-e885b34ae402@googlegroups.com> <87dc5bee-f689-4f2e-90a8-a43a2de9fe49@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:25:32 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="d5b4a240257f384d525de974c17395aa"; logging-data="2339"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19wab47GS8PO5DkG+ATjD89" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:cypE3zAScv+tDEO+e/1gcTcywOM= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:34785 On 7/8/2016 4:01 AM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote: > Eric Sosman wrote: >> On 7/7/2016 2:29 PM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote: >>> Eric Sosman wrote: >>>> [...] >>>> (which always seems to be the most irritating situation), I go ahead and >>>> write it out. And gnash my teeth, and tilt at other windmills instead. >>> Its not like we had much of a choice besides "write it out & gnash teeth"... >>> "other windmills" ... also Java-related? >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills > > Looked at it, just to find the obvious meaning (as a reference to Don Quixote) > confirmed. > > I was asking, if those other windmills were also related to features perceived > as lacking in Java, or some entirely other domain? Sorry; I thought perhaps I had erred by confronting an Austrian with an English idiom. This sense of the verb "tilt" is almost never used nowadays except in reference to Quixote's windmill adventure, and I feared I might have misled you. Glad I didn't. (Sometimes the literal translation of an idiom is of no help at all, and one must simply learn the meaning by rote. That's why "Take him for a ride" means "Nimm ihn um die Ecke," or so I'm told, even though neither translates to the other.) Anyhow: Java presents lots of annoyances, some petty and some more troublesome, but those aren't the windmills I tilt at. I'd like it if Java had unsigned arithmetic and if signed integer overflow threw an exception instead of wrapping around silently and sneakily -- but that's not going to happen. I'd like it if primitive types were more like objects, so I could have things like a `List'. I'd like to add and multiply BigIntegers with `+' and `*'. Occasionally I'd like to use something like a `typedef' to address some of the issues covered in this thread. But I have a more realistic estimate of my powers than did the Don, so I leave those windmills to other giant-slayers. Instead, alas, I struggle against the problems I myself put in my own path. Most of my troubles are self-inflicted, most of my windmills are self-erected, and I tilt at them endlessly, or so it seems. My own faults are more troublesome than Java's ... -- esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid "Don't be afraid of work. Make work afraid of you." -- TLM