Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Natural Philosopher Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.php Subject: Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:13:44 +0000 Organization: albasani.net Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <%JGtu.29103$Wm1.26832@fx17.iad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.albasani.net A4y96akWCbP06LukG7x4CweDtMHAON7btPK0dd/45RGQdJppb2dloChtHkVBzOkTfbsNfQ/D4HhdDI1nm2Ie4g== NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="mjvbE4QO+o4WEFdzvPVGd+t+YbG/7Oq1dF5hqNJRVatUU/uhGXBKAcz0r97SRdbpT4wEDP606tW3NqZfwloY+l8rqz6YTt1nvlRxEi5VJziOMdAXAThEc87iSe2X92I5"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:tMh1DAoa0CSDx7jUL/khU97IcNo= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:27138 comp.lang.php:12458 On 30/12/13 21:36, Arved Sandstrom wrote: > Data is complex, relational data is obviously just as complex, and any > method of querying or manipulating real relational data is often hard. > And considering major ORMs (not just Java), and the amount of educated > effort that has gone into them, there are not many people who are > well-advised to routinely use SQL directly if they have other > options...not unless they are RDBMS specialists, and that's what they do > for a living. Are you one? I'm not. Ah. So mining is complex and labour intesive, so lets not learn how to use an excavator, but instead develop tools to allow us to organise huge gangs of navvies with picks and shovels, because that's easier for us lazy shits than mastering the controls on a dump truck or draglinme excavator. If you cant manage relational databases, you shouldn't be messing with big data. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.