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On 12/21/2013 07:54 AM, lipska the kat wrote:
> On 21/12/13 02:28, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>> On 12/17/2013 03:09 PM, Wanja Gayk wrote:
>>> In article <g4nru.546685$nC5.145367@fx06.iad>, Arved Sandstrom
>>> (asandstrom2@eastlink.ca) says...
>>>
>>>> No aspersion on the M-F 9-5 programmers, Arne. But by definition M-F
>>>> 9-5
>>>> programmers have made a decision - not something I will heavily
>>>> criticize - to confine their work to work hours, and keep their free
>>>> time for family and leisure. As such they don't spend nearly as much
>>>> time on off-hours professional education (if any), and we all know that
>>>> work hours don't lend themselves to professional education either.
>>>
>>> To put it bluntly, this is nonsense. You can't generalize like that.
>>
>> Sure I can generalize like that. When I refer to a programmer as a M-F
>> 9-5 programmer, it's not a slur, it's a straightforward definition of a
>> programmer who only practices his trade M-F 9-5.
>
> <snip>
>
> Who works 9-5?
>
> I never had a job where I worked 9-5
>
> 8-6 minimum plus any unpaid overtime required to get the job done by
> release date. Then there are the nights (or small part thereof) spent in
> the company flat sleeping on the floor because some suit said we could
> do so and so by such and such and now we are working until we drop while
> he sleeps at home with his wife, or mistress.
>
> Then there's the time spent crammed up against some herbert who could do
> with a bath, on an overcrowded train, waiting for the upline to become
> available and swotting up for the latest Java certification.
>
> Or spending your weekends getting your head around some shitty new
> framework that some twat decided was the latest greatest waste of time
> that would look good on his CV, whilst your kids are growing up and you
> are missing the best time of their lives.
>
> Or trying to learn some pointlessly complicated XML at 11.00pm on a
> weeknight, or ... or ... or ...
>
> 9-5 developers?
> No such thing.
>
>
Then you've certainly not ever been in a union, for starters. :-)

And you've evidently never worked in a private sector company (like IBM 
or Oracle or Microsoft, for example, or well-established local software 
consultancies with lucrative long-term contracts) where usually the only 
reason you work outside hours is because you're self-motivated, not 
because anyone required you to do so.

For what it's worth, I wasn't referring to occasional "incompetency" 
time. As in, some manager f**ks up, and you kill a weekend and some 
evenings to repair his mistake. Even union people have to do 
that...although they get overtime. I meant independent un-coerced 
decisions to sacrifice family time or personal recreational 
opportunities in order to swot up on SOA, and suchlike. Not as many 
people do that as you may think. And they may be mentally healthier for it.

AHS
-- 
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign:
that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
-- Jonathan Swift