Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!news.swapon.de!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mit.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Simon Lewis Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: error discription and solution Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 20:46:04 +0100 Organization: Lewis Lines: 22 Message-ID: <87eh2j9ibn.fsf@gmail.com> References: <7ad4a15c-7e35-4d08-a61f-4d673f5d4ef0@googlegroups.com> <081fg9thirl4u17mdbeq8q3oocgtbakr7t@4ax.com> <97SdnYwVB7SC1onOnZ2dnUVZ8gednZ2d@bt.com> <140f3bv3kst7.7zenor3r2v2k.dlg@40tude.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: mit.eternal-september.org; posting-host="c6032b6f07821699bb88661f42da3efb"; logging-data="6391"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18ebOMxQjfcnzDkFLrTBtmQhyW62LTcg5E=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:eS5x2hNO2MvXTHs8Lco8khNeGls= sha1:NtNmjBMQttoA2tnFAFQlysAus80= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:27674 Joerg Meier writes: > After all, you would only want to use the bare minimum of tools, and not > have fancy things like garbage collection and abstraction, right ? How much > time you would save, by not learning the latest greatest language, only for > it to be superseded a few years later ? > > Understanding how things work at their core is a useful skill that should > certainly be part of any decent education, whether in class or as an > autodidact. On the other hand, suggesting to stick to the lower and most > primitive solution while actually working is ridiculous and held only by > the most ancient and inflexible dinosaurs. > Very well said. Also ties in with the sorts who claim "IDEs are rubbish" and stick with vim or emacs. Vim or Emacs with a huge & complex & rich class set would be like trying to build a house using grains of sand instead of bricks. Yes they're great tools but the ease of use and built in vcs management, debugger, class browsing, javadoc fetching etc simply "eclipse" (if you'll excuse the pun) anything that Emacs and CEDET (for example) could manage. Yes they have their places. As the key tool in developing from complex object orientated code bases not.