Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: The Technocrats Control Our Food Supply Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:29:31 -0500 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 87 Message-ID: References: <96915e67-8420-4227-b275-598ac4b6ef49@googlegroups.com> <45070958-2ba3-4a41-8b84-8eb501fb088a@googlegroups.com> <73db4db2-a7d8-43eb-aafd-2cc2bca10c31@googlegroups.com> <56f7a8ee-33c8-430a-86b6-3403cdc0ff93@googlegroups.com> <21c3228e-b010-4b78-a72e-3e62df5ff7c4@googlegroups.com> <7ea407de-bae9-4ba5-b6d5-6c977023d827@googlegroups.com> <60501588-a206-454f-bff0-af73e7553190@googlegroups.com> <8661402b-0b29-48d3-bdc0-adbe526ca917@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4wpt9zq8xR26Ttf9mo2BA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:36682 On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:54:49 -0500, wrote: >> That is what you learn at primary school!! > > One of the things that they teach in primary school is grammar. If so, why is there no comment from you on his doubled exclamation points or misspellings? ... You do realize that he probably doesn't speak English as his native language, yes? > Your sentence should use "this" rather than "that" because > you are only referencing one thing (you can't have a "that" > without a distinct "this," implying references to at least > two things). I don't know where you get that from. What makes you believe that "that" must refer to more than one thing, or have a corresponding "this"? I can say either of the two following quoted sentences below by itself in various situations. Both are correct and have different meaning and intent depending on the situation: "This is my car." E.g., on Wednesday, when indicating to my friend which car was mine so he would stop walking. "That is my car." E.g., on Friday, when my car's engine failed and it was then wrecked by a city bus. "This is my car." E.g., on Monday, when I bought a shiny new car. "That is my car." E.g., on Tueday, when the cop thought my car was involved in the accident I witnessed. "This is my car." E.g., on Thursday, when showing a photo of my car to my coworkers. "That is my car." E.g., later in the day on Thursday after losing my car photo and using the internet to find a photo to show my coworkers which car I bought. Well? ... It can only be argued that 2 of the 3 uses of "that" have a corresponding, but unstated "this" to compare "that" with. It's clear that none of the uses of "that" have any explicit, corresponding use of "this". > Also, the preposition should be "in" rather than "at." Also, "learn" needs to be changed to "learned", past tense, unless you're _still_ attending primary school, which I sincerely hope is not the case. > Also, the preposition should be "in" rather than "at." That's only true if _you_ went to primary school since the "you" in the sentence refers to you, Hugh, which is information he didn't have at the time he wrote that. I.e., if he didn't know that you went to primary school and decided not to assume so, or assumed you didn't attend, or intended to insult you by implying you never did attend or learned nothing while there, then his use of "at" is correct. This is no different than being able to "talk to" someone, "talk with" someone, or "talk at" someone. Each has a valid use and different meaning just as "learn in" and "learn at" both have valid use and different meaning. E.g., a truant student didn't "learn in" school since he wasn't present, but he would've had something to "learn at" school had he been there. Yes, I'm aware I don't always put comma's and question marks inside quotes, as it's common for many programmers to NOT do so, including most people here. Rod Pemberton