Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: when greenarrays desktop pc? with firefox? vga? usb3?? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:36:06 -0500 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <2ed14d90-af14-4488-8283-1d536d677e08@googlegroups.com> <785de081-7d1a-4d5c-baf3-ccc513f3213b@googlegroups.com> <764c46a5-60bb-444d-a5df-13f9488f199f@googlegroups.com> <5dc77c69-b5cc-40ae-a3dd-d6f1575da5fd@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: i+Urkql2cL38hhKqzSWEjg.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:34563 On Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:24:03 -0500, rickman wrote: > On 11/21/2014 7:58 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:56:28 -0500, rickman wrote: >>> The real issue with the GA144 is that it was driven by the "wouldn't >>> this be cool" factor rather than any market. So it addresses *no* >>> market. >> >> The market has two really good processors, x86 and ARM, >> when it really only needs one .... So, what does the >> market need the GA144, MILL processor, or lowRISC for? > > That's a silly way to look at it. The market will use whichever product > it sees as best. I agree. However, the only products which survive long-term are the cheapest solution to the problem. The only exceptions to that "rule" are Intel processors and Microsoft software because both have monopolies, and the SCSI interface which just won't die. > I think the ARM is doing a very good job, but certainly there can be > room for improvement. ARM as a company almost died too. > The only question is whether the lowRISC will be able to > be better or even as good. How many successes can you name who pushed aside market incumbents? Inmos? No. Transputers were a market failure. Harris Semi.? No. None of their processors have been a success. AMD? No. They're hurting financially competing against Intel. Transmeta Co.? No. Market failure. ARM? No. Although, they did manage to barely survive and become successful dominating a new market: mobile. ... > As for the GA144, it addresses a totally different market and will > never be a desktop computer replacement. Anyone who can't see that > should just give up and go home. So, you don't think Mitch Bradley will push for use of a Forth processor like Chuck Moore's GA144 in the OLPC project? Interesting. This page indicates OLPC laptops currently use AMD Geode LX (x86) processors: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_specification Rod Pemberton