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From: "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm>
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 21:08:39 -0400, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am now writing a cross-compiler in ANS-Forth. Just yesterday I  
> discovered another problem with ANS-Forth that I hadn't noticed before:  
> SMUDGE is missing! WTF??? What possible reason could there be to remove  
> SMUDGE from the standard, except to pull the rug out from under  
> cross-compiler writers?

What standard was SMUDGE _removed_ from? ...

SMUDGE seems to only be documented as part of fig-Forth,
i.e., it's not part of any standard, apparently.

> Here is the only thread I found on C.L.F. discussing SMUDGE:
> [link]

Search for "SMUDGE" in the message body not the topic and
you'll find some more threads discussing SMUDGE.  E.g., I've
mentioned SMUDGE over a half-dozen times according to Google
Group's index of Usenet.  Most were just casual mentions, but
two were more in-depth.

> : <set-context> { wid anchor -- widN... N }
>     get-order  dup 1 < abort" *** SET-CONTEXT given empty search-order  
> ***"
>     over anchor = if
>         wid anchor = if  exit then
>         wid  swap 1+  exit then
>     nip  wid swap ;
> \ WID will replace whatever was on top, unless ANCHOR was on top
> \ in which case WID will be pushed above it
>
> : set-context ( wid -- )
>     forth-wordlist <set-context>  set-order ;
> \ like in Forth-83, the WID becomes the context
> \ with FORTH-WORDLIST as the anchor below it
> \ FORTH-WORDLIST SET-CONTEXT would do the same thing that FORTH does.
>
> : <push-context> { wid -- }
>     get-order
>     over wid = if  exit then
>     wid  swap 1+ ;
> \ the WID becomes the context, with whatever was below it remaining
> : push-context ( wid -- )
>     <push-context>  set-order ;
> \ I don't recommend using ALSO with <SET-CONTEXT> because problems will
> \ result if the anchor is the top wid. Use PUSH-CONTEXT instead.
> \ All in all, ALSO is a screw-ball idea, as it involves making a  
> duplicate
> \ in the search-order, which makes no sense.

1) Many people are still ignoring or filtering you.
They're not seeing anything you post or are flat out
ignoring it, even if it is of merit.

2) No one is going to locate this topic here.
You should start new threads on this stuff, Hugh.
Maybe, try an alias.  Of course, if people know
it's still you, perhaps still ranting on Ms. Rather,
they'll block or ignore the alias too.  E.g., they
know when "gavino" changes aliases by his writing
style.

> In 1993, Ray Duncan described ALSO/ONLY as "severely brain-damaged."

He used Forth?  Aw, I like that guy.  Now, I think less of him ...
Thanks a lot, Hugh!  I'm just joking.  Although, it's amazing he
didn't make that claim of other utterly insane Forth issues.

> Why did [Ms. Rather] put this in the ANS-Forth standard?
> What were you thinking?

Well, almost no one puts code here.  They might as well have put something
in the standard.  You can't charge for 500 pages if you've only got 5  
pages.

Personally, I think that  **I**  have posted more code than you,
Ms. Rather, Bernd, Alex, Anton, Paul, Rick, and a bunch of other
current regulars combined since I started reading here circa 2007.
Andrew, Albert, Mark, and a few others still post some.

> The ANS-Forth committee wasn't doing any thinking at all --- the whole
> ANS-Forth standard is a collision of ignorance and arrogance!

Did you really expect any committee to _not_ be somewhat misguided?

... camel ... horse ... by committee ...
... too many ... cooks ... spoil ... broth ...

etc. cliches.

Decisions made by any group of sufficient size is going to be dumbed
down to the level of the least intelligent member.  This is why
allowing everyone the right to vote is so risky and still radical even
today.  There are too many dumb people in the world.  Unfortunately, it
costs the smart people much money and time to improve the food, education,
health and sanitation of ordinary citizens to the point that they stop
wrecking the place, i.e., the world.


Rod Pemberton