Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: There is such a thing as Chaos Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:49:50 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <5bca0ec5-a0e5-42bc-b8a0-4164d4729aa5@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: CNsg4fVcCsvs3UaOgZtQCw.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:33499 On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:57:55 -0400, Jason Damisch wrote: > On Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:28:48 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:54:34 -0400, Jason Damisch >> wrote: >>> So, when using Forth, expect the unexpected. >> >> Does that expectation of the unexpected in regards to Forth actually >> have something to do with Chaos or is this a design issue with Forth? >> e.g., your failure to implement safety checks, therefore your program >> crashed spectacularly. > > It's not a design issue with Forth but an design feature of Forth that > Forth is flexible enough such that it's is very improbable to code > oneself into a corner with it, and that one might be able to respond > to the unexpected with using it. If it's improbable, then why do you still expect it? > If I expect the unexpected, and don't expect the world to be completely > orderly, then I won't be as upset when it isn't and I need to adjust my > code accordingly. Well its a working hypothesis. :^) It would seem to me you don't need to do so, i.e., waste or time or mindset to expect something which is unlikely to occur according to you. > If somebody passes me a chunk of spam, was it my fault for not catching > it, or their fault that they passed it? If you did notice it, would you pass it on too, just as they did? ... It's very possible someone may want the spam. Are you going to let it go to waste by simply not passing it and keeping it in front of you? Do you really want to see it sitting there for the entire meal? Do you really want smell it if you don't like it? I suspect you'd pass it too. I've never tasted Spam, but have smelled it cooking. A friend in college would eat it fried with rice on occasion. It smells like bologna and bacon. It's made of pork shoulder and ham. Pork shoulder, usually just labelled "pork," is a primary ingredient in hot dogs, bologna, "Vienna" sausages. Rod Pemberton