Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.etla.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: There is such a thing as Chaos Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:32:36 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <5bca0ec5-a0e5-42bc-b8a0-4164d4729aa5@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: CNsg4fVcCsvs3UaOgZtQCw.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:33472 On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:54:34 -0400, Jason Damisch wrote: > In all civilized thought systems, religion, science, philosophy, > mathematics, etc, it is said that there is no such thing as Chaos > as an inherent force of Nature. Chaos is really just an illusion > of the unenlightened mind. Look deep enough and Chaos vanishes. > If it does exist, then Forth would be Froth, wouldn't it? ;-) Is entropy a form of chaos? Sorry, it seems you capitalized Chaos. Is Entropy a form of Chaos? ... I'm assuming that you're capitalizing Chaos and Nature to represent a higher level, abstract concept, sometimes personified or treated as a self-aware or powerful force, somewhat like when someone capitalizes Faith or Truth in the context of religion or scientific fact. > But, I assert that there is such a thing as Chaos. For instance, > there is no such thing as perfect data. There may be not such a > thing as perfect hardware or perfect software. There is no excuse > for not watching the road. The map is not the territory. ... > So, when using Forth, expect the unexpected. Does that expectation of the unexpected in regards to Forth actually have something to do with Chaos or is this a design issue with Forth? e.g., your failure to implement safety checks, therefore your program crashed spectacularly. Rod Pemberton