Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: FORTH LITE TUTORIAL based on MPE VFX Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 18:28:04 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <2d2eba75-5d44-422a-8a3f-751702d8cea6@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: CNsg4fVcCsvs3UaOgZtQCw.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:31676 On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 23:02:47 -0400, wrote: > On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:07:05 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:12:25 -0400, wrote: >> > This generated the codes for a master-key system using Kwikset >> > door-locks [...] >> >> Yeah, I'm not going to ask if that was a paid for job, >> or if something else was going on there... > > Well, that put you on my twit list forever. Oh my, I got the ever so dreaded "twit" label from Hugh ... Well, just what _were_ we supposed to think about that? Let's review what you said: A young kid, you, who can't actually program yet, was hired to program, in a language he doesn't actually know, which was not widely known yet, or even widely available in 1984, the master keycodes for door keys, something which is generally kept secret, for a cheasy motel, on an unbelievably underpowered Vic-20, a home computer, not a business machine, such as an IBM PC, in said language: Forth. Yup, that's a believable tale ... I'm not saying it's not true, just that it's *truly* unbelievable! At best, if it's true, I'd label it foolish on their part. Are we supposed to seriously believe you weren't after the motel's master key to sneak into motel rooms, perhaps for TV, HBO movies, or pr0n, room booze, telephone service for dialing up BBSes, money from pay massage beds or pay telephones or tips for motel staff, or even a place to stay for free without parental supervision or law enforcement, e.g., to consume drugs or drink or smoke or have sex, etc? Having a master key to a motel, whose exposed door rooms can be entered and exited without motel management noticing, would've been the "holy grail" or a "golden ticket" for a young urban hacker in the 1980's. This is the realistic scenario as to why anyone *not* in the locksmith industry or lock manufacturing would be dealing with master keycodes in 1984. So, are we supposed to honestly believe you were hired by said motel and paid to write _locksmith_ software for it ... on a Vic-20 of all things!?!? It's ludicrous even for 1984. The only thing more ludicrous would've been if you said it was on an even more useless machine such as the Timex Sinclair 1000. A Commodore C64 or Apple II might've been believable, if it wasn't for the fact that the motel wasn't about to let some stranger deal with their master keycodes. C'mon now... Rod Pemberton