Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Forth philosophy Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:33:39 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <0JCdneuVOuwhbgXOnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: CNsg4fVcCsvs3UaOgZtQCw.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:31449 On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 00:24:59 -0400, rickman wrote: > On 6/11/2014 8:26 PM, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: >> On 6/11/14 1:30 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote: >>> Also, reducing everything to the simplest concept also interferes >>> with developing and testing of more complex ideas. The ability to >>> grasp the entire problem or implementation at once can be obfuscated >>> by using small pieces. It's much better to see the entire problem, >>> in one place, at once, not a whole bunch of jumbled little pieces >>> that have to be put together, correctly. >> >> Again, this is not my experience. I am not aware that Mr. Pemberton has >> ever worked on any substantial Forth applications (in addition to >> writing his own Forth, with some guidance here), or spent time learning >> Forth programming and debugging strategies. Although I am presently >> retired, I worked on major commercial Forth applications for over 30 >> years, some of which continued in use for decades. > > I agree. Sometimes I wonder if Rod really believes the things he says > or if he is just free associating and then working to defend his > statement like playing a game of go. > Well, I used to think comments of disbelief and contradiction here was just argumentative people playing the "devil's advocate," but the frequency of such comments here is just too excessive. I've since learned that almost everyone here who makes such a comment has usually never programmed in any language other than Forth and generally has little to no computer science background. So, today, I tend to ignore such comments. I just mention this for your future reference. Rod Pemberton