Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.datemas.de!rt.uk.eu.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 21:18:02 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <85ca46a5-03d8-41ad-ab7e-8e5c3b781e48@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: CNsg4fVcCsvs3UaOgZtQCw.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:29786 On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 09:37:06 -0400, Andrew Haley wrote: > However, I take your point: you may be allowed in theory to do these > things, but if you only have a binary it's not at all easy. People can disassemble, create a patch, and then release the information which can be used by others to apply the patch. > Access to source code is crucial. No, it's not. It's just more difficult without it, especially if you don't know assembly, or you're looking at compiled code. That doesn't mean there should be a fundamental right, or general principle that people have access to whatever they want to change. > All the GPL does is insist that if you use GPL code, you must give > your users the same rights that you had. No, it does far more than that. It denies people rights too. It also strongly encourages, nay forces, people to forfit rights they would rather keep. Their rights are just important. If the GPL wasn't abusive in that regard, trampling the rights of others for no reason, most of the conflict over it wouldn't exist. When was the last time someone criticized MIT or BSD license? The only mention is by those in the FOSS movement who are jealous that Microsoft managed to figure out how to profit from an insignificant amount of open source code. Yet, you, and everyone else in the FOSS movement contradictorily say it's acceptable to profit from GPL code. But, you can go to numerous forums and find pro-GPL people complaining that someone made a profit on free GPL code and getting in numerous arguments over whether that's legal to do. At best, it's double-talk. At worst, it's harmful socialism. Rod Pemberton