Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.etla.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: J. Noble's Scientific Forth: progress Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 13:51:00 -0500 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: CNsg4fVcCsvs3UaOgZtQCw.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:28873 On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 04:40:08 -0500, Matthias Koch wrote: >> The Upgrade Paper Project digitized my "Scientific FORTH" copy. The >> binding made some pages edges difficult to scan, but not many require >> full on interpretation. For the initial archived scanned copy, where do >> I need to send the pdf? > > May you please put the scanned PDF on Sourceforge or Github for everyone > to read ? As Harriet Noble allows this gem to be released to the public > - maybe on creative commons licence - this should be the first step to > go. From what was quoted in JG's post, she didn't grant a license to the work, or allow for the work to be licensable. She, at best, granted a right to 1) make the work available in digital form and 2) make the work publicly available on the internet. Of course, publicly available on the internet doesn't mean available for free, as everyone here has assumed. A copyrighted work in digital form for sale on the internet is "publicly available on the internet" too ... I.e., it seems the work would still be copyrighted in full or almost so, non-licensed, and perhaps have a fee. From what was posted, she didn't grant anyone here the digital conversion rights either, i.e., what you need to take her copyright and produce a digital version. She said she had "no objection" to the work being available. That doesn't mean she gave anyone here the right to convert or distribute. It might imply that, but then again, it might not. She might have plans to provide the book herself. As I see it, she didn't grant any distribution right either. Re-read it with both a for and against perspective. And, if all of you are serious about his work being available, I would recommend to stop being cheap, spend the money, consult a real intellectual property law attorney, determine what actual rights she actually granted, if any, in her full email. Then, get a contract signed by her with all licensed rights fully enumerated. Rod Pemberton