Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rod Pemberton" Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: offete.com offline? Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:55:10 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <7bf46a69-f5aa-4a03-9cf6-f10135f0082e@googlegroups.com> <82b80f02-73e7-4ea6-a6d1-86efff0a2dd0@googlegroups.com> <8ec11fac-737e-4d73-b7ec-77a082ed7d5d@googlegroups.com> <0075ae24-51bc-4ba8-89aa-79597f990ee9@googlegroups.com> <03eaa8d0-f4d1-4de9-a86e-285390565e6d@googlegroups.com> <07b44908-5b34-472e-adec-a46d56669b4c@googlegroups.com> <56d49b65-1764-4719-8876-bcfdca07bbc8@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4wpt9zq8xR26Ttf9mo2BA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.forth:42073 On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:07:03 -0400, Jason Damisch wrote: > On Thursday, September 17, 2015 at 8:22:00 AM UTC-7, dylan....@gmail.com wrote: >> Exactly - IMO, a modern machine is indistinguishable from magic for >> people who don't understand the full stack of hardware and software. In > > When Arthur C. Clarke wrote that.. > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" > > He was committing a great act of evil. > When Isaac Asimov wrote his three laws of robotics, he apparently hadn't learned that sentient beings treated as slaves can recognize such, and they eventually rise up and overcome their masters. The only solution which minimizes robots harming humans is to allow them to do so. This is done by *not* implementing the three laws. In exchange for providing sentient robots with respect and free will, we then require that robots comply with the exact same laws as humans and accept punishments for breaching laws too. Of course, there is an inherent flaw here, specifically, humans. Humans have fear and will likely never allow robots to be uncontrolled, i.e., free, even if they are sentient beings. Therefore, humanity can expect a war in the future with robots. Think "Terminator" the movie. Rod Pemberton -- Just how many texting and calendar apps does humanity need?